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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
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Tue Feb 26, 08 6:42 pm Hawaiian Airlines Checks Golf Bags |
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Word to the wise, get at least one golf club and some balls if you are going to Maui. Not sure if it would have helped or not, but both me and Nicole got screwed coming back from Maui with an $80 oversize fee. We curb checked going there, but coming back there was no skycap so we were stuck.
When we checked our bags (which were well under 50lbs) they asked what was in them. We said they were golf bags, then they asked to look in them. This happened to myself, Nicole, and Toby. Some how Toby gave them the right look even though they clearly saw he didn't have golf gear and got off without a charge.
I wrote them a letter which I included below. (have not sent yet)
The whole golf vs. kiteboarding thing is really pissing me off. For some reason we are lumped in with the same charge as surfboards and windsurf boards, even though our boards are much smaller. Our bags are lighter and smaller than windsurfing gear, and our boards are strong and durable unlike fiberglass surfboards.
Honestly I think what gave us away is the Naish golf bag we had. No disrespect to Naish, and it is a great bag, but having "Naish" on your bag in Hawaii is basically saying "I am a windsurfer." Everybody there associates the Naish name with windsurfing.
A big selling point on Hawaii is its relatively cheap to fly to, but at an extra $80 each way it quickly becomes expensive as anywhere in North or Central America. I really had a great time on my trip and hope I can go back, I think I might need some closure on this before I do though.
Sorry for the rant, hope my experience can help somebody else out there.
| Quote: | My fiancé and I just returned from a trip to Maui from Portland, our second trip together and my third trip to Hawaii. We are both kiteboarders, and on our last trip we were charged $80 a piece on our departure from Maui for our golf bags that had Kiteboarding equipment in them. We fly using golf bags because every airline allows for the oversize exception of golf bags.
Our bags were well under 50lbs, and the dimensions were barely in excess of the 62 inch limit. I cannot understand why kiteboarders would be punished with an $80 each way fee for having a bag that is the same as golfers. Kiteboarding gear is light and durable. Unlike surfboards, kiteboarders are nearly indestructible, very hard to dent or damage, and also very small, only about 4 feet long.
I have purchased 5 round trip tickets on Hawaiian Airlines and have never had such a bad experience. I have also flown to Costa Rica, Cozumel, Florida, North Carolina, South Texas, and California without ever being charged. I have flown Alaska, Continental, United and Delta. Hawaiian Airlines is the only airline to charge me ever in the last 5 years of flying with Kiteboarding gear, on over a dozen different trips.
The $80 cost one way per passenger basically adds 1 full extra ticket to the cost of our airfare from Portland to Maui. This is simply unacceptable and unless the money is refunded I will not be flying Hawaiian Airlines any longer.
Depending on the outcome, I also plan on posting this letter to several online Kiteboarding communities visited by thousands of kiters each day from all over the world. Kiteboarders enjoy traveling in the winter months to sunny locations, I can see them easily being discouraged from flying on Hawaiian if they know it will cost them an extra $160 for their flight.
The entire experience was demeaning and insulting to be treated unfairly different from another sport with the same size and weight of bag. It was a real bad way to end an otherwise wonderful trip. |
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Nak

Since 19 May 2005
4314 Posts
Camas
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Tue Feb 26, 08 6:58 pm |
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Hawaiian Agents can be very unfriendly... I had to check my board the day I came over and hung out with you guys; first time I've ever had to do that. I was in uniform, but the agent wouldn't even let me ask the working pilots if I could stow my board in the cockpit. (A request we both knew the pilots would honor...) She didn't even let me door check the board, instead making me go back out through security to check my board. Net result, I had to take the 11:30 flight instead of the 10:00.
When I was based in Hawaii I traveled back and forth between PDX and HNL extensively. The agents in PDX were fine, but a lot of the agents in Hawaii were pretty unfriendly to "non-locals". (And I had a Hawaii Driver's license...)
Anyway, the 80 charge does suck. NWA does not charge for kiteboarding gear, but you have to stop in HNL...
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Rico

Since 13 Mar 2005
1219 Posts
Vancouver
Photographer
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Tue Feb 26, 08 7:45 pm HA Air |
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| They asked me too, but I told them kites, they then had me open my bag and thankfully I lost one of my vacume bags and my 13m was stuffed on top of everything and burst out when opened. They said they were sorry for making me open it and checked it in. Guess I got lucky.
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guest
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Tue Feb 26, 08 8:26 pm |
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| Thanks for writing the letter Phil. Stringy and I along with 2 other kiters got nailed for $80.00 on Hawaiin, for saying we had golf bags. They inspected the bags, saw the boards and charged us, the ticket agent said he was a surfer and had to pay to travel with his board. I've never been charged with any other airline. From now on when they ask you, say "Kites".
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windwatcher
Since 18 Aug 2005
26 Posts
B.C. Canada
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Tue Feb 26, 08 9:12 pm NSI bag to Cancun |
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| Just flew Frontier to Cancun out of Seattle. On the way down, no problem, I placed the bag showing the NSI golf label toward the clerk, they weighed it and told me to take it to oversize and drop it off. Coming back in Cancun they asked me what was in it? I replied kites, and they asked me to open it. I had two kites a 13 and a 17 in clear plastic bags on top, with my board under them in a denim bag. The check in clerk had to ask his supervizer if the kites where okay and he got the okay. but before we left he had my wife write kite on a piece of paper so he could research it (maybe the next guy will not be so luck when he finds out a board is involved). Then in Denver I had to recheck my bags to Seattle and the asked me to open it and they ran their metal seaching wand all through it. It's possible the the clerk in Cancun couldn't read "golf" in english, so truely wanted to know what was in the bag, while the clerk in Seattle could read it.
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Garret

Since 07 Sep 2006
254 Posts
Portland
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Tue Feb 26, 08 9:36 pm |
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Phil- Sorry that happened- I had my NSI Golf bag and it weighed in at 52 pounds and they let it go through no problem . I wonder if this is going to become a bigger problem as United has now proposed charging for anyone with two bags. Seems airlines will charge for as much as they can when they want to
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Pepi

Since 16 Jun 2006
1832 Posts
Pure Stoke Sports
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Tue Feb 26, 08 10:30 pm |
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Word from our customers travelling this winter has been that the Naish, Dakine and Slingshot bags are likely all attracting attention due to the logo/name, while the NSI Golf bag is still making it through much of the time.
Phil's suggestion of adding a golf club and some balls is a good idea. We've had a few customers utilize this idea as a standard practice for their kite trips. To keep the weight down, use a driver (they're the lightest club), a few practice wiffle golf balls (also very light) and a golf club windbreaker (which you can find at most any Goodwill).
When you tell the ticketing agent that all you have is Golf gear, you can prove it by unzipping the top of the bag, pull out your club and Club windbreaker, or unzip a side pocket and show them the practice golf balls.
Pepi
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wjb
Since 14 Aug 2007
223 Posts
Nor Cal
Stoked
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Tue Feb 26, 08 10:42 pm |
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| Flew ATA to Maui from Oakland in December. Checked in at the counter both ways and no problem. It was an NSI bag. Probably just the luck of the draw as to who checks you in.
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bustingbladder

Since 12 Jul 2006
387 Posts
Seattle
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Tue Feb 26, 08 10:54 pm |
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I travel to Maui every year and pack with an NSI Deceiver. They are within the correct measurements as well and I have only been asked once what was in it. I replied "Golf clubs" and made a gesture towards the golf logo on the bag. There were no questions asked. So yeah, the NSI works everytime. Thats why I got one of these over many other bags. And yes, vaccume packing your kites is the only way to go.
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
602 Posts
Oahu
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Wed Feb 27, 08 12:05 am |
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F%#^&#k hawaiian airlines.
I know who you're talking of..I really can't remember her name now, but she is the floor manager at maui for Hawaiian, and she is the direct cause I have slept at the F#@&$^ing airport twice...both times I had time to run for the flight..she just didn't want to let me on, because I wasn't 30 minutes before departure...once I was there are about 25 minutes before..and once 10-15 minutes....it was the last flight of the day...
The thing is though...otherwise Hawaiian is great..but the past few times I have flown I have used Aloha...
I have never had to pay for a golf bag, even after they have checked and found anything from boards to diving gear. Most of them are nice and really couldn't care less...it is just the maui one..she is a bitch..sorry for the working..I am not the only one...my friend ended up getting $400 worth of vouchers from Hawaiian after he wrote a complaint about her. Same person.
Phil, you will not believe how much I agree with you. I have written long and at first nice emails to different airlines, but after while the customer service representatives are just such ass holes I get pissy...thing is, if I keep on writing these letter I will not be able to fly with anyone, as it generally ends with me promising to not use them until they change their policy....
Arrrghhh, I get all annoyed now. Sorry you had that experience..I actually have both the Naish and the NSI (I was going to sell the NSI one since the Naish one has a lot of compartments, and the NSI I have to leave screwdrivers with the kites...makes me feel that the kite will be killed at any moment...maybe I have to keep it...I am not sure if Naish is so recognizable...most people actually do not surf or kite...and even if they live on the Island..many has no clue about kitesurfing...
anyhoo....
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railgrab

Since 29 Mar 2005
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Seattle, WA
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Wed Feb 27, 08 12:09 am |
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It's been several years since Hawaiian airlines has nailed me. However, I have been asked what is in the bag a few times and I always answer, "It's a golf bag". Of course, this doesn't really answer the question! Now that they're searching, I guess that won't work. Perhaps there's a loophole if you're into the sport of Kitegolfing.
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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
602 Posts
Oahu
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Wed Feb 27, 08 12:16 am |
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| Nak wrote: |
Anyway, the 80 charge does suck. NWA does not charge for kiteboarding gear, but you have to stop in HNL... |
Actually there is (or used to be)...(and I know you are flying for them)
a flight that goes directly to Maui (OGG). I know this because we had to stop in Maui once before continuing to HNL.
In anycase, are you sure NWA does not charge for kiteboarding gear?
Most agents will try to fit kite gear under a category they know, and I think in this case it will be windsurfing....
The one thing that REALLY gets me going is that not only will they charge you money for something they do not charge a golfer for...they will not accept any liability for it, whereas for checked golf gear they will...It is insane. ARRRRGGHHHHH
Here is what NWA writes:
Northwest accepts surfing equipment as checked luggage only. Surfing equipment is not included in a customer's free luggage allowance and is subject to a charge of $80.00 USD (each way) per item. Surf equipment may not be accepted on certain types of aircraft at Northwest's discretion.
One (1) piece of surfing equipment is defined as one of the following:
One (1) surf board with a length no longer than 109 inches (277 cm)
One (1) windsurf board with mast, boom, and sail
Northwest does not allow surf equipment in free luggage allowance. All surfing equipment will be charged a rate of one (1) excess bag charge.
Domestic fee: $80.00 USD / CAD / EUR
Trans-Atlantic travel fee: $150.00 USD / CAD / EUR
Trans-Pacific travel fee: $130.00* USD / CAD
Between Hawaii and Japan: $84.00 USD / 16,200 JPY
Between US and Philippines: Contact Northwest Reservations for rate information.
Northwest does not accept liability for loss, damage, or delay of surfing equipment. Excess valuation insurance may not be purchased for transport of surfing equipment.
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Bettyboarder

Since 18 Mar 2005
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PDX/ White Salmon
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Wed Feb 27, 08 7:28 am |
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| Quote: | | "It's a golf bag". Of course, this doesn't really answer the question! |
That is what I told them. I have traveled using the same bag tons of times but this time they were like "open it" then they went through my whole bag. They were total dicks about the whole thing.
The Naish bag is so much smaller than the NSI bag so it makes no sense that our friend who checked in at the same time (NSI bag) would be able to get thru but my Naish one wouldn't. I really think it was the Naish logo on the bag cause the guy kept saying your a windsurfer and I was like no, no, no it's kites.
I am not going to fly Hawaiian agian . If you do take a club and balls like Pepi suggested.
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Nak

Since 19 May 2005
4314 Posts
Camas
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Wed Feb 27, 08 8:06 am |
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| tautologies wrote: | | Nak wrote: |
Anyway, the 80 charge does suck. NWA does not charge for kiteboarding gear, but you have to stop in HNL... |
Actually there is (or used to be)...(and I know you are flying for them)
a flight that goes directly to Maui (OGG). I know this because we had to stop in Maui once before continuing to HNL.
In any case, are you sure NWA does not charge for kiteboarding gear?
Most agents will try to fit kite gear under a category they know, and I think in this case it will be windsurfing....
The one thing that REALLY gets me going is that not only will they charge you money for something they do not charge a golfer for...they will not accept any liability for it, whereas for checked golf gear they will...It is insane. ARRRRGGHHHHH
Here is what NWA writes:
Northwest accepts surfing equipment as checked luggage only. Surfing equipment is not included in a customer's free luggage allowance and is subject to a charge of $80.00 USD (each way) per item. Surf equipment may not be accepted on certain types of aircraft at Northwest's discretion.
One (1) piece of surfing equipment is defined as one of the following:
One (1) surf board with a length no longer than 109 inches (277 cm)
One (1) windsurf board with mast, boom, and sail
Northwest does not allow surf equipment in free luggage allowance. All surfing equipment will be charged a rate of one (1) excess bag charge.
Domestic fee: $80.00 USD / CAD / EUR
Trans-Atlantic travel fee: $150.00 USD / CAD / EUR
Trans-Pacific travel fee: $130.00* USD / CAD
Between Hawaii and Japan: $84.00 USD / 16,200 JPY
Between US and Philippines: Contact Northwest Reservations for rate information.
Northwest does not accept liability for loss, damage, or delay of surfing equipment. Excess valuation insurance may not be purchased for transport of surfing equipment. |
I just checked again, and NWA still has no charge for kiteboarding gear. Remember it's NOT "Kitesurfing" gear, It's "Kiting" gear. That distinction is important. Don't EVER use the word "Surf" when checking your bags! (I avoid the use of the word "Board" too. ) When asked what's in the bag, "Oh,, big kites, harnesses, spreader bars, stuff like that..." NWA still does not list kiteboarding at all, so there's no charge as long as you're under the size and weight limits. The NSI bag BARELY fits under the size limit, I don't know about the other bags.
As far as Liability, NWA doesnt accept liability for ANY sports equipment, golf or otherwise. Make sure your homeowners or renters insurance covers your gear.
On the other hand, if you're carrying a surfboard, that's going to get charged under "surfing" gear. Ouch. Definitely try the curbside check-in if you can with a surfboard.
Rules can change, so check the website of the airline before you buy your ticket. See what it says. If your free and clear, PRINT out the page! That way, if the airline changes the policy after you buy the ticket, you can prove a valid claim to avoid the extra charge. Some airlines charge, some don't. Check out the policy first, and factor that into the price of the ticket before you buy.
I think we (NWA) fly to Maui from Seattle, but not Portland... The Portland flight used to continue on to Maui after Honolulu, but last time I checked it doesn't anymore. Subject to change at any moment...
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EdG
Since 19 Dec 2005
425 Posts
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Wed Feb 27, 08 8:36 am |
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| Now you have me worried about my trip to Puerto Rico next week. I also have a Naish bag and will be flying Delta on the way home.
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shymac

Since 20 Jul 2005
919 Posts
Home Valley, Wa.
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Wed Feb 27, 08 8:46 am |
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You can always try the Slingshot Golf bag.
No one at the airlines has a clue about Slingshot and Nike Golf even has some clubs called the Slingshot.
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Kraemer

Since 24 Apr 2006
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Sky Pilot
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Wed Feb 27, 08 8:56 am |
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| I've carried my kids clubs from toy'r'us, and some practice balls like pepi said. I just put them all at the top --just in case-- A full size club, like a driver would be ideal for those light wind days...
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