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4Stringer/KipWinger

Since 27 Apr 2005
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Hood River
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Thu Jun 28, 07 4:51 pm Safety Tip of the Day: landing during a Spike |
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...Looks like I'm the buzz kill of the day.
As the corridor was featuring another spike this afternoon, I learned something surprising when I came in on a 12 C kite with gusts suddenly spiking to 40 mph. I'll just be vague here...suffice it to say we need to be more aware of kiters coming-in and needing an immediate catch during a spike. When the richterriffic gusts hit, I picked an area with plenty of people to land thinking that I'd get a catch. After about 30 seconds on land, and concern for an azz whuppen' about to happen, I almost pulled the release today amidst at least 15 people within 50 feet of me. It wouldn't have been pretty.
I think we need to be more aware of people needing assistance during spikes.
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pkh

Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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Thu Jun 28, 07 4:57 pm |
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I have been caught in some squalls myself, and though I wasn't on a 12m at the time I always followed the advice to stay away from land while the squall is hitting.
I go out into the middle of the channel, depower the kite and stick it straight above me at neutral and then just sit in the water and wait for it to pass. Sometimes I get tea bagged a bit, but I am ready for it so its no biggie.
I think its a much safer option then trying to emergency land. You're more likely to get hurt by a lofting on land or taken out by someone else with all the other folks around the beach.
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forrest

Since 21 Jun 2005
4330 Posts
Hood River
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Thu Jun 28, 07 4:57 pm |
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| It was definitely hard to get anywhere on the land with a kite attached to me. I was lucky enough to be really close to someone and just put it low and sat on the ground.
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4Stringer/KipWinger

Since 27 Apr 2005
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Hood River
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Thu Jun 28, 07 5:13 pm good point |
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I think Phil's advise is right-on-the-mark.
I don't wanna sound like George Constanza here, but I actually was coming-in while the wind was increasing, but not yet mega-blasting. (Mr. Constanza said something on Seinfeld about "if YOU believe it, it's not a lie.") In any event, I believe it hadn't quite reached the sandblast stage as I approached the land.
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TWIN-FIN

Since 24 May 2006
805 Posts
Portland, OR
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Thu Jun 28, 07 6:03 pm |
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| Great tip PKH, I think most people including myself would head to nearest landing zone (beach, semi wind protected inlet) to seek safety. Staying off shore make much more sense.
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Kraemer

Since 24 Apr 2006
1736 Posts
Sky Pilot
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Thu Jun 28, 07 7:15 pm |
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Ditto PKH! Good Practice! I would probably have tried for land.
Staying away from land is way safer but --not the 1st thing that came to mind. When in Doubt--Stay Out!
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pura vida one
Since 22 May 2007
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Thu Jun 28, 07 8:16 pm good advice |
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that's exactly the kind of post and advice(thanks pkh) i can appreciate. and no smartass responses yet - they are stale...
gauranteed that will save some people some pain. thanks
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Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
4911 Posts
Portland
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Thu Jun 28, 07 9:08 pm |
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Two for two in seven days for picking the worst possible time to head out. I think thats some good advice pkh - was riding it out on the 2006 7m waroo and it was making some unholy shapes - watched Pacifichigh beeline it in and was going to stick it out for one more tack - when the dude in front of me, his North kite instantaneously folds like an origami swan in three places - the Waroo nearly inverts but hangs in there. Headed in - glad someone was there to catch the kite - did switch my leash to the o shit loop just in case things went bad.
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pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
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Fri Jun 29, 07 12:34 am |
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| Gman wrote: | | I think thats some good advice pkh - was riding it out on the 2006 7m waroo and it was making some unholy shapes - |
Sounds similar to the magical rolling leading edge of Rowena.
Definitely good advice though, I would have probably tried to head for land but I don't kite anymore, I just limp and moan
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jonah

Since 20 Jul 2006
169 Posts
Hood River
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Fri Jun 29, 07 3:09 pm |
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| There's some debate about whether or not the Waroo OSR is a good place to leash. Even though it theoretically depowers you more than hooking in suicide, the problem is that in really high winds, the kite just spirals around the OSR line, and continues to drag you with no way to stop it. Unfortunately, with the Waroo (which is all i own) there seems to be no sure way to safely flag it in high winds. I envy some of the 5th line SLEs that are coming out now.
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boardrider

Since 05 Apr 2006
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Ventura, CA
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Fri Jun 29, 07 6:26 pm |
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1...What did it look like when these Gorge 'squalls' happened ? Was there a dramatic change in cloud formation overhead, etc.?
2...How long did these squalls last?
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TWIN-FIN

Since 24 May 2006
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Portland, OR
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Fri Jun 29, 07 7:35 pm |
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The squall front is usually acompanied by dark impending DOOM!
The only problem is that the winds are not necessarily on the same horizontal plan as the cloud line (i.e. dark impending DOOM!)
As kiteboarders on the water we usually have our backs the flow of weather. Every once in awhile you need to look over your shoulder and look the the occasoinal BARGE coming right at you. How many time have you said....."Holy Shit, where did that come from"
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cosmodog

Since 06 Oct 2005
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Fri Jun 29, 07 7:35 pm |
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| Quote: | | There's some debate about whether or not the Waroo OSR is a good place to leash |
I dumped my Waroo to leash a couple of times down in SPI with gusts to 40 - it spirals but does eventually hit the water (YMMV). I don't think the suicide is a good option - probably invert.
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Spike

Since 13 May 2007
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Alameda
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Fri Jun 29, 07 7:53 pm |
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| boardrider wrote: |
What did it look like when these Gorge 'squalls' happened ? Was there a dramatic change in cloud formation overhead, etc.?
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If you look up "gust front" or "wall cloud" you can get a detailed explanation of how these formations come about. In short, it's descending air (often caused by rain evaporating before it hits the ground, cooling the air it falls through and causing it to fall out of the warmer surrounding air). When the falling air hits the ground (i.e. Columbia river) it has nowhere to go but sideways ( This causes dramatic wind speeds. because the air is cooled by evaporation, it is more humid, and therefore often forms a cloud in the form of a curtain, i.e. | Quote: | | dark impending DOOM | This is known as a "wall cloud". In short, if you see a cloud with a curtain hanging down lower than the surrounding clouds, get your kite out of the sky. I saw one approaching when we were sailing on fern ridge out by Eugene, and got the hell off the water. winds were calm (5 knots) until it hit, gust up to 33 knots. I got a weather report form the Eugene airport when i got back home (saved it cause I thought it was cool):
METAR KEUG 022354Z 09005KT 10SM BKN075 BKN090 16/12 A3015 RMK AO2 PK WND 10194 20133 55012
SPECI KEUG 022318Z 02009KT 10SM R16/2000VP6000FT -RA SCT018 BKN035 OVHD MOVG SE P0030
SPECI KEUG 022308Z 34026G33KT 3/4SM R16/1200VP6000FT TSRA SQ BKN035 SE P0021
SPECI KEUG 022306Z 33028G31KT 1 3/4SM R16/1200VP6000FT TSRA BKN035 17/12 P0010
SPECI KEUG 022304Z 34017G26KT 9SM TSRA FEW035 19/12 A3015 RMK AO2 PK WND 33026/2304 TSB04RAB04 P0000
METAR KEUG 022254Z COR 08006KT 10SM BKN060 19/13 A3014 RMK AO2 SLP207 T01890128
Assuming you haven't read these before, the "34026G33KT" means winds out of 340° at 26 knots gusting to 33 knots
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wylieflyote

Since 30 Jun 2006
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Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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Fri Jun 29, 07 7:57 pm |
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| Quote: | | 1...What did it look like when these Gorge 'squalls' happened ? Was there a dramatic change in cloud formation overhead, etc.? |
I went to leash with my '06 Waroo 9M Sunday. I've recently switched to the suicide option. I guess I got lucky because even though I was off the ground and travelling when I poped it... it dropped like a brick.
As soon as someone grabed my kite, and I ran to take over, I looked up and this big cloud had the classic "anvil" shape, and very dark, well defined. Spike lasted 20 minutes then "mellowed" to more solid 7M. But I was too freaked for a replay.
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hedquista
Since 13 Apr 2007
72 Posts
Salt lake city
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Sat Jun 30, 07 12:56 am |
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in my experience attaching the leash to the osr is a bad thing but it is true the kite will spiral(ie the warro death spiral) but it will eventually hit the water. the reps that i have spoken with say that the spiral is supposed to be less than a quarter powered when it falls from the sky.
i hook the true suicide but it comes with the price of knowing the kite is still powered. preferance i guess. the new 07 bars have the suicide ring on the center lines which if the bar is lost the kite will more than fully de-power bt it is sometimes a hasle to get everthing back into order after you have recoverd.
I have seen pretty nasty crashes where a line has wrapped it around the bar and the kite has gone in to the perpetual spiral and has messed some people up. as far as i am concerned, i always know where my realease is and am not afraid to let the kite go. First instinct should be to the chicken loop release if conditions are going to be bad. I kite by the rule that "it is always safer to get off the water than tempt the wind gods, because you can always kite another day if you are alive and unbroken."
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Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
4911 Posts
Portland
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Sat Jun 30, 07 7:25 am |
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| boardrider wrote: | 's
1...What did it look like when these Gorge 'squalls' happened ? Was there a dramatic change in cloud formation overhead, etc.?
2...How long did these squalls last? |
1. Not really - it was raining from PDX to Viento - thats a clue - the clouds had huge vertical structure (another clue) but they were far from overhead - maybe 5 miles west. I got spanked by this setup when I was just learning on a 11m 2004 fuel draggin my 157 on its reel leash over peoples heads - you don't get too many of those cat lives.
2. Twenty - Thirty minutes - time to walk to the car pump up a 5m and ride around for awhile before things settled
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