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Bettyboarder
Since 18 Mar 2005
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Sweet picts super fun day on Sunday made up for all that studing I did on Sat.
Gman you didn't by chance pick up any cute green flip flops that I left on the beach did you?
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
6549 Posts
Couve / Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 10:08 am |
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| magicmaker wrote: | | yea phil, you were definately killing the hooked-in backroll kiteloops. Do you think you'll be able to start unhooking with the way your shoulder is? |
I was doing them pre-surgery... just got to pre-program my brain to let go if it gets too tough. Seems like with my strong tack my weak arm wouldn't be doing most the work. The unhooked frontrolls probably tweak it more because most my weight is on my bad shoulder.
But thanks man, you were killing it too, some crazy power on that blue fuel... It seems wrong to be doing crazy crap in knee deep water, we all got love for the buttah eh? 
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
4911 Posts
Portland
Unstrapped
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 11:22 am |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: | Sweet picts super fun day on Sunday made up for all that studing I did on Sat.
Gman you didn't by chance pick up any cute green flip flops that I left on the beach did you? |
Don't call my new flip flops cute. Their Mantastic.
Yes.
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
895 Posts
da Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 11:33 am |
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| pkh wrote: | | some crazy power on that blue fuel... It seems wrong to be doing crazy crap in knee deep water, we all got love for the buttah eh? |
hehehe, i think pulling off new tricks in about 3-4 foot deep water is the best if you ask me. Enough water in case you get slammed you'll be alright and still not to deep where you can touch if things go wrong.
The new fuels have been doing some funky shtuff out in the deep water. Sometimes they'll be on their back with LE towards you, and just kind of sit and not go anywhere, like the current and wind cancels each other out. I end up having to swim way off the one side so my wingtip will catch some air and pull it out of the deadlock.
also, on my 13m cause of hte huge wingtips the back lines will be totally tight with no tension on the 5th line and the kite will be flapping around doing wierd stuff and not want to relaunch. thankfully, this has only happened to me in the shallow water where i was able to deal with it.
and then, even a couple of other times, my LE has been krinkled and bent the wrong way, a gust comes by, flips the kite around into hot launch position and up and off it goes, way to powered, all in like a second 
i still wouldn't trade those kites for anything else tho, the longer wingtips are worth the iffyness when they're down on the water, just gotta try to put them down less 
so yea, i try to keep the new tricks to where i can stand in the water. but i totally love the butter too. I've actually rather been enjoying the higher water because it makes more flatwater pools to play in and the water is deeper there where we exit the pool. And also where the hood drains out.
Wish i could have gotten out of work and ridden with you guys on sunday, but that is the price i pay to have Friday's off.
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boredbrain
Since 16 Feb 2006
352 Posts
Hood River
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 12:36 pm strangeness |
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I have noticed a few similiar issues when the kite is directly downwind, (all in deep water) sometimes it appears that the fifth line is engaged, when in fact it is not, but sort of curves toward the kite not just a straight to the kite, not sure if the friction on 90 feet of line is enough to do this, but not fun watching the kite hover upside down instead of moving to the side of the window.
Eventually something happens and all is right with the world again.
With magics comment about the rear lines being tight, maybe pulling in on the depower strap may increase the front line tension and reduce the backline tension, allowing for the fifth line to do it's job.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
501 Posts
PDX
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 1:31 pm |
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| magicmaker wrote: |
The new fuels have been doing some funky shtuff out in the deep water. Sometimes they'll be on their back with LE towards you, and just kind of sit and not go anywhere, |
Is this after you have let go of the bar and have the 5th line fully deployed? Or just when your trying to re-launch?
Trevor--
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
895 Posts
da Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 1:41 pm |
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| all 3 occur when i have the bar back in my hands after having let go of the bar during an unhooked move. Basically, the first two hinder me from getting my kite relaunched, and the 3rd one relaunches the kite crazy like when i am not expecting it.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
501 Posts
PDX
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 2:04 pm |
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I would say tie a knot closer to the sheeting loop in the 5th line or use a stopper ball so your bar doesn't "over" deploy the 5th line, but just enough that it still flips the kite over.
Stand in a safe place, and pull in the 5th line until the kite flips upside down and falls from the sky, then maybe add a inch or two from that place where the sheeting loop and 5th line meet. Then see if it relaunches OK from having the 5th line fully deployed.
Trevor--
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
895 Posts
da Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 2:22 pm |
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good ideas, but the problem is that if i shorten the fifth line at all, then the kite will be flat all the time, which is no good. i dont totally understand "then maybe add a inch or two from that place where the sheeting loop and 5th line meet."
also, i do have the yellow stopper ball which prevents my sliding stopper from moving any farther out, and i dont really want to move it in at all because then i wouldn't be able to sheet my bar as far out which is where all the magic depower of the 07 fuels comes from. I was just kinda going off on a tangent decribing my freak occurences with my kites as to my reason for trying new tricks in the shallows. I'd say that each freak occurence has only happened about 3-4 times max, and yesturday was day 31 this season for me, so it isn't like it happens very often. i guess it just really stuck in my brain cause the times it happened was when the water was like 50 degrees and the beginning of hte season when i had just started riding my new kites.
thanks again for the advice, i'll play with it a little see what i can figure out.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
501 Posts
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 2:37 pm |
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I attached a photo of what I'm trying to say...
On your fith line, the way it is setup now, is the bar will slide all the way up until it hits the blue pig tail and the silver line meet.
Either tie a knot in the silver line or use a stopper ball. This way when your 5th line deploys it will hit that first instead of the blue line pigtail.
Your current yellow ball is for your sheeting loop stop and not on the 5th line.
Hope this helps!
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
895 Posts
da Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 2:46 pm |
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| trevorsmith wrote: | On your fith line, the way it is setup now, is the bar will slide all the way up until it hits the blue pig tail and the silver line meet.
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ah yes, now it makes perfect sense, except i see it as the converse to the statement above, in that the fifth line comes all the way in at the point where the blue pigtail and the one-line grab line connect, to where ever the sliding stopper ball is positioned (but yea, that happens because the bar is all the way out), and tieing a not below (where the silver line & 5th line meet) that will prevent it.
thanks, i'll have to give it a go.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
501 Posts
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 2:56 pm |
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If you tie a knot in the one-line grab line, the bar will stop sooner, and in-turn keep the rest of your other lines from massive slack.
Example, if you tied a big knot/stopper ball just on the other side of the bar where the 5th line comes out, and you let go of your bar, nothing would happen because the center and outside lines cannot go slack. So if you moved that knot further away from the bar, the more slack can be added to all lines. Then you would get to a point where all lines are slack and the kite is just riding on the 5th line and fall to the water. This sounds like what you are looking for.
Hope that helps clarify. The previous owner of my 06 bar did this, and it keep this from happening. I replaced the 5th line due to wear, and my kite this weekend flipped up all over the place. 
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
895 Posts
da Hood
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 3:22 pm |
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nope, it makes perfect sense, thanks again for the help, i think i have some extra yellow stopper balls laying around at home. if not i'm sure i can get one from pepi or SS. must be bored at work today huh trevor?
me too, it is blowing 18-30mph at the event site, and i have to sit where i am until 5  only 38 more minutes, hope the wind holds so i dont get skunked again like yesturday.
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Rico
Since 13 Mar 2005
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Vancouver
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 4:17 pm PIC |
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Here is the end of that jump. Just made it 
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Kataku2k3
Since 14 Aug 2005
3753 Posts
Los Angeles, CA
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 4:35 pm |
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| haha, no wonder you wear your heal edge out. That's really, really shallow!
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boredbrain
Since 16 Feb 2006
352 Posts
Hood River
Obsessed
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| Mon Jun 04, 07 5:24 pm All shackeld in |
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I ride shackled in.
The bar never left my hand.
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