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Anthony
Since 07 Oct 2008
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Salem
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
1914 Posts
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| 10' or longer.
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
374 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
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| Mon Jan 28, 19 6:09 pm |
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| tinyE wrote: | | 10' or longer. |
For now.
Those of us who worked to out the idiocy of the last iteration of this bill (operating in the red the first year, most of the revenue going to enforce an unneeded/non-benificial law each year after) were aware this tactic would be needed to pass such legislation in the future. It is divide & conquer.
The last time around, all of the affected user groups made their voice heard loud and clear. Only a few "shill" organizations, one of which could be linked to a lucrative "no bid" contract should the bill pass, were in favor of it.
The new strategy is to target/exclude certain groups who would normally ban together to fight this. Once a weaker group has been forced to abide by the law, that subjugated group will be very much in favor of previously excluded groups sharing in their misery.
This is textbook strategy to generate a revenue stream by getting a worthless law put in place from a state that has a history of operating in the red. Kiteboarders, windsurfers, and any other seemingly (currently) unaffected water user group, should stand with those groups targeted by this law. If you don't, they won't stand up for you when you get written in on the last ammendment before it's passage.
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tkaraszewski
Since 21 Oct 2016
28 Posts
Hood River
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| Tue Jan 29, 19 3:03 pm |
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| Does this change anything at all for my 23' sailboat? I hate these things, they're never even clear what they cover. It sounds like this is aimed at kayaks, but sailboat is also "non-motorized".
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
373 Posts
Columbia City
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| Tue Jan 29, 19 5:57 pm |
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I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency.
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dwaynej
Since 09 Sep 2013
205 Posts
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 1:12 pm |
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| Occupied Columbia wrote: | I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency. |
Where did you fly in from?
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
373 Posts
Columbia City
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 1:19 pm |
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| dwaynej wrote: | | Occupied Columbia wrote: | I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency. |
Where did you fly in from? |
Cabo. The week before flew bangkok to hong kong to vancouver bc to pdx and did U.S. customs in b.c.
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
628 Posts
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 3:01 pm |
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| Matt V wrote: | | Those of us who worked to out the idiocy of the last iteration of this bill (operating in the red the first year, most of the revenue going to enforce an unneeded/non-benificial law each year after) were aware this tactic would be needed to pass such legislation in the future. |
The idiocy behind the idiocy is all of the voters that keep voting in the same officials that are eager to tax more and encroach further into our personal freedoms.
I wonder how many people think this is wrong, but cant seem to connect their voting choices to this result.
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WindSki
Since 14 Dec 2012
327 Posts
Portland
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 4:51 pm |
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| The majority of WA and OR voters love paying taxes and they love having fees. They also love their representatives!! That’s why they vote the way they do. I'm an independent and it’s the price we pay for living in this state.
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
374 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: |
I wonder how many people think this is wrong, but cant seem to connect their voting choices to this result. |
They can't even find a representative to sponsor this bill because it is so stupid. When one is finally selected, by drawing the short straw, it will likely be a politician would is ready to retire (not up for reelection).
But the real dirty dealings are done by the shill organizations who have some tie to the issue. Those are the ones to watch. And if you happen to be a member of one of those groups, make your voice heard. Don't let your membership dues be used for this.
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
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Here is the Senate Bill as introduced so far. Remember that the last one went through a few revisions that changed some key words and terms to cast a larger net. That larger net eventually included many more water users, just by changing a term from "State Waters" to "Waters of this State".
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB47/Introduced
Regardless of your like or dislike for this bill, please keep a close eye on it for mutations that would make it a destructive force in your, and others outdoor enjoyment. Should a state senator or outdoor organization show support for this bill, dig deeper and ask why. Contacting them with your concerns will help to get the average water user's voice heard.
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ShiverMeTimbers
Since 26 Feb 2013
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Hood River
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| Sat Feb 23, 19 8:34 pm |
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The bill will fund the construction of new access points. Isn't that a good thing? Some kiters will likely benefit from this. CGKA should start lobbying for new sites or site improvements.
Am I missing something here?
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bigjohn
Since 13 Mar 2012
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| Sun Feb 24, 19 9:09 am |
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Matt - Thank you for providing this link.
It appears to me this bill has the potential to add value to our recreational community.
As I understand the bill, monies are to be utilized for two purposes:
1) Boater Safety Training
2) Waterway Access
I didn't see anything that allows these dollars to be redirected to ongoing operational costs for the Marine Board. As with anything however the will of the board ultimately defines the direction of the dollars.
Also, as currently defined I don't see this affecting Kiters, but definately SUPers and Kayakers can be impacted as only "boats" larger than 10' are currently being addressed.
For me personally there is a clause that makes or breaks it for me. The ability to transfer this permit to other "boats" you own makes this permit fair in my opinion. Without that clause I would be concerned that this permit could negatively impact the recreational community.
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pollywog
Since 07 Aug 2009
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Columbia City
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| Sun Feb 24, 19 12:03 pm |
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Something similar happened in 2018 in the bicycle industry in Oregon. I thought, and still do, that it’s one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation at the state level I’ve seen.
The legislature proposed a tax on all bicycle sales. Somehow, people who ride bikes don’t pay taxes because all of them apparently don’t own cars... they also didn’t “have any skin in the game” (that quote actually came out of the mouths of legislators) regarding paying for road infrastructure. Huh? Makes you wonder if they know their constituents at all.
It ended up being a $15 tax on all 26” wheels and above on all new complete (you can buy a frame and all the parts so long as the bike isn’t built and not get taxed) bikes sold in bike shops. They thought it would generate 1.25 million per year costing 100k to administer. (Highly inaccurate but I’ll point that out later). After the first quarter, they were shitting because it brought in 76k and cost at least 36k to implement. Sooooo, very quietly they changed the legislation to incorporate all bikes sold over 200.00 which means kids bikes...BMX, toddlers pretty much any nicely made aluminum, light and easier to maneuver, kiddie bike (also including folding bikes which have smaller wheels). Funny thing, Walmart, Fred Meyer...the big guys who can afford to pay this dumb tax don’t sell bikes over 200.00 (lobbyist won again).
So now, kids who never ride their bikes on the road, though their parents/grandparents (a lot of grandparents buy their grand children bikes), get taxed as though they do!
We, the bike shop I manage, had a chance to speak one-on-one with now retired state senator Devlin. The shop owners contributed to his campaign over his many years in the legislature (I sent a letter to all senators regarding the proposed tax and only heard back from the one the owners contributed to, which is another problem). Devlin flat out said; the revenue committee regularly over estimates the potential revenue of new taxes. He said it would likely be closer to 2/3’s of the estimate the constituents saw. The owner said, more like 700k, and soon we’ll know who was correct. Devlin said there was a perception in the public that cyclists don’t pay their fair share. Sound familiar? We, of course, pointed out, most cyclists own cars and many never ride on pavement. The short of it was they need money and people don’t vote in tax increases. It sounded desperate. I left that two hour meeting understanding both sides of the situation better. Also, the money gathered doesn’t go the trail/path maintenance like people heard. It goes in the general transportation fund to be used where needed.
What I hope, and hope for this new “tax”, is someone approaches the situation from an educated perspective. Hope though is nothing but wishes. If I could change what happened to our industry, I’d work with the legislature and try to help make a tax that makes the most sense. Like it or not, once a group is on their radar, they will figure out how to tax it. These elected officials rarely know much about outdoor enthusiasts and how they operate. Hell, they didn’t even know the difference between a “tire” and a “rim” on bikes. They were, and still are clueless about bikes.
If we organize in this situation we stand a chance of making this a smart tax. One we appreciate and applaud. Otherwise, it will be another unenforceable dumb tax that makes users criminals by ignorance.
The decision is ours.
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pollywog
Since 07 Aug 2009
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Columbia City
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| Sun Feb 24, 19 12:26 pm |
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Note: as of the end of August 2018, $290k had been collected for this bike tax... I’m certain it won’t come remotely close to the 1.2 million they said it would generate annually.
BTW, kids bikes are the number 1 selling bikes in the US. I guess we need to start taxing them young...that way they’re used to it...
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