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Anthony
Since 07 Oct 2008
332 Posts
Salem
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
1910 Posts
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| 10' or longer. |
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
353 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
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| Mon Jan 28, 19 6:09 pm |
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| tinyE wrote: | | 10' or longer. |
For now.
Those of us who worked to out the idiocy of the last iteration of this bill (operating in the red the first year, most of the revenue going to enforce an unneeded/non-benificial law each year after) were aware this tactic would be needed to pass such legislation in the future. It is divide & conquer.
The last time around, all of the affected user groups made their voice heard loud and clear. Only a few "shill" organizations, one of which could be linked to a lucrative "no bid" contract should the bill pass, were in favor of it.
The new strategy is to target/exclude certain groups who would normally ban together to fight this. Once a weaker group has been forced to abide by the law, that subjugated group will be very much in favor of previously excluded groups sharing in their misery.
This is textbook strategy to generate a revenue stream by getting a worthless law put in place from a state that has a history of operating in the red. Kiteboarders, windsurfers, and any other seemingly (currently) unaffected water user group, should stand with those groups targeted by this law. If you don't, they won't stand up for you when you get written in on the last ammendment before it's passage.
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tkaraszewski
Since 21 Oct 2016
27 Posts
Hood River
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| Tue Jan 29, 19 3:03 pm |
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| Does this change anything at all for my 23' sailboat? I hate these things, they're never even clear what they cover. It sounds like this is aimed at kayaks, but sailboat is also "non-motorized". |
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
370 Posts
Columbia City
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| Tue Jan 29, 19 5:57 pm |
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I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency. |
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dwaynej
Since 09 Sep 2013
204 Posts
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 1:12 pm |
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| Occupied Columbia wrote: | I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency. |
Where did you fly in from? |
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
370 Posts
Columbia City
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 1:19 pm |
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| dwaynej wrote: | | Occupied Columbia wrote: | I'm in favor of an oregon government shutdown. Quickest trip ever through customs saturday at pdx. One guy pointing at the exit. No one else in the room
That's efficiency. |
Where did you fly in from? |
Cabo. The week before flew bangkok to hong kong to vancouver bc to pdx and did U.S. customs in b.c. |
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
612 Posts
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 3:01 pm |
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| Matt V wrote: | | Those of us who worked to out the idiocy of the last iteration of this bill (operating in the red the first year, most of the revenue going to enforce an unneeded/non-benificial law each year after) were aware this tactic would be needed to pass such legislation in the future. |
The idiocy behind the idiocy is all of the voters that keep voting in the same officials that are eager to tax more and encroach further into our personal freedoms.
I wonder how many people think this is wrong, but cant seem to connect their voting choices to this result. |
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WindSki
Since 14 Dec 2012
322 Posts
Portland
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| Thu Jan 31, 19 4:51 pm |
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| The majority of WA and OR voters love paying taxes and they love having fees. They also love their representatives!! That’s why they vote the way they do. I'm an independent and it’s the price we pay for living in this state. |
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
353 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
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| Fri Feb 01, 19 4:10 pm |
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| SalmonSlayer wrote: |
I wonder how many people think this is wrong, but cant seem to connect their voting choices to this result. |
They can't even find a representative to sponsor this bill because it is so stupid. When one is finally selected, by drawing the short straw, it will likely be a politician would is ready to retire (not up for reelection).
But the real dirty dealings are done by the shill organizations who have some tie to the issue. Those are the ones to watch. And if you happen to be a member of one of those groups, make your voice heard. Don't let your membership dues be used for this.
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Matt V
Since 26 Oct 2014
353 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
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| Wed Feb 06, 19 5:11 pm |
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Here is the Senate Bill as introduced so far. Remember that the last one went through a few revisions that changed some key words and terms to cast a larger net. That larger net eventually included many more water users, just by changing a term from "State Waters" to "Waters of this State".
https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB47/Introduced
Regardless of your like or dislike for this bill, please keep a close eye on it for mutations that would make it a destructive force in your, and others outdoor enjoyment. Should a state senator or outdoor organization show support for this bill, dig deeper and ask why. Contacting them with your concerns will help to get the average water user's voice heard.
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