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Since 23 Dec 2010
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PostMon Apr 30, 18 6:21 am    Rufus current guide Reply with quote

I was wondering if someone could pass on their Rufus wisdom and report where you look up the river flow and what that means to me when kiting Rufus. I’ll admit that I’m kinda lame at reading flows and knowing how that would affect my fun at Rufus. I know the basics of big flow means little kite, bye bye board if I lose it for a second and etc. Help please with reading flows! Like when to go and when to go elsewhere.
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ldhr

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PostMon Apr 30, 18 7:27 am     Reply with quote

This is the website for the John Day dam at Rufus.
It shows how much water is flowing out of the dam.
Normal summer flows that produce great swell are 200,000 - 250,000.
If the flow is 250,000 - 290,000 it takes a lot of wind to make smooth swell.
If the flow is above 290,000 - I don't bother going there.
Right now it's at 343,000.

https://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/station/flowplot/textPlot.cgi?id=JDAO3&pe=QR

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PostMon Apr 30, 18 7:37 am     Reply with quote

We can always depend on you Laird! The Gorge.net web cam is missing for the HR sandbar any other options?
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PostMon Apr 30, 18 7:42 am    Laird for the Win ! Reply with quote

Thank you Laird !!!
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PostMon Apr 30, 18 7:42 am     Reply with quote

ldhr wrote:
This is the website for the John Day dam at Rufus.
It shows how much water is flowing out of the dam.
Normal summer flows that produce great swell are 200,000 - 250,000.
If the flow is 250,000 - 290,000 it takes a lot of wind to make smooth swell.
If the flow is above 290,000 - I don't bother going there.
Right now it's at 343,000.

https://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/station/flowplot/textPlot.cgi?id=JDAO3&pe=QR


Awesome info! Thank you!

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ldhr

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PostMon Apr 30, 18 8:10 am     Reply with quote

moondog wrote:
We can always depend on you Laird! The Gorge.net web cam is missing for the HR sandbar any other options?


lots of options...

http://www.sailworks.com/bp/Gorge_Wind_Cams.html

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PostMon Apr 30, 18 8:28 am    USGS Site 454249120423500 Reply with quote

Just came across this USGS Site.

Depth of sensor below surface should be relational with river flow.

Looks like they have data going back go 2007 with something changing in 2012 (see history map below).

Links:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?site_no=454249120423500

* note as time changes just change the date in the URLs (or use their nifty menu).
History - https://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/or/nwis/uv?cb_72147=on&format=gif_default&site_no=454249120423500&period=&begin_date=2007-01-01&end_date=2018-04-30


GPS locations of USGS monitor sites around RUFUS
 GPS locations of USGS monitor sites around RUFUS  USGS monitoring sites around Rufus.png 
History of depth sensor at Rufus
 History of depth sensor at Rufus  454249120423500 Sensor Height History.png 

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PostMon Apr 30, 18 9:56 am     Reply with quote

ldhr wrote:
This is the website for the John Day dam at Rufus.
It shows how much water is flowing out of the dam.
Normal summer flows that produce great swell are 200,000 - 250,000.
If the flow is 250,000 - 290,000 it takes a lot of wind to make smooth swell.
If the flow is above 290,000 - I don't bother going there.
Right now it's at 343,000.

https://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/station/flowplot/textPlot.cgi?id=JDAO3&pe=QR



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lewmt

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PostTue May 01, 18 4:28 am     Reply with quote

Thanks ldhr!

So - say the wind is 7M on a given day anywhere you want to go & river flow @ Rufus is 325+, do you prefer going east or west from there?

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PostTue May 01, 18 7:05 am     Reply with quote

lewmt wrote:
Thanks ldhr!

So - say the wind is 7M on a given day anywhere you want to go & river flow @ Rufus is 325+, do you prefer going east or west from there?


The spring runoff higher current does not adversely effect Atown or the Hatchery portions of the river the way it effects Rufus/the Wall. Either east or west should be ok even in periods of high current. Same for the Rowena - Dougs stretch - it will still be good.

I live in Hood River - so if it's blowing 25 in town I stay here and kite up to Swell City.

Spring winds tend to be smootherer the further east you go.

Smooth wind = smooth swell.
Gusty wind = choppy swell.

Last edited by ldhr on Tue May 01, 18 7:26 am; edited 1 time in total

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PostTue May 01, 18 7:22 am    It aint straight up CFM Reply with quote

As a kiter that is habitually on a quest of that elusive smooth rolling swell that Rufus will tease us with like a child teasing a cat with a flashlight I have to say that river flow is not the only factor in the equation. It is a large contributing factor however.

Other large contributors are:
1) wind speed - must be gusting at least 40... If you want to make a decision based upon a number use that one.
2) smoothness - if it's gusty the rollers just don't seem to form.
3) frequency alignment - somehow there is a harmonic that syncs between the two opposite forces of wind and river current. When that frequency aligns it is pure heaven.

Over the years I have had some amazing sessions early season during high flow times.

Even those epic days we all remember where we rode the same overhead glass swell for 5 minutes as it slowly rolls it's way towards the dam are really just a compilation of tiny spurts in time.

You might be out there for 5 hours and only have 45 minutes of epicness. The rest of the time it is just blown out.

My point is if you decide to skip Rufus simply because you looked at some numbers you are likely missing out on some of the best kiting moments in the gorge.

I don't know how to predict when epicness will land at Rufus, but I am confident that simply showing up is a basic requirement.

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PostTue May 01, 18 2:23 pm    Re: It aint straight up CFM Reply with quote

bigjohn wrote:
...but I am confident that simply showing up is a basic requirement.


Amen to that.

I this age of instantaneous gratification and push notifications, it's easy to forget that one must put in the time in order to reap the rewards.

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PostMon May 14, 18 3:23 pm     Reply with quote

Quote:
I this age of instantaneous gratification and push notifications, it's easy to forget that one must put in the time in order to reap the rewards.


Agreed. But - not being a local limits the opportunities. Driving over from MT on Wed/Thu and just hoping to not waste unnecessary time driving, after driving 14 hrs to get there. Ideally I'd love to stop short at 3Mi(have kited there) or Arlington(haven't kited there) but not sure how current high flow levels will affect those spots. Or - should I keep rolling west & focus on HR area? Looks like Rufus isn't an option this trip based on info above?

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PostMon May 14, 18 7:49 pm     Reply with quote

lewmt wrote:
Quote:
I this age of instantaneous gratification and push notifications, it's easy to forget that one must put in the time in order to reap the rewards.


Agreed. But - not being a local limits the opportunities. Driving over from MT on Wed/Thu and just hoping to not waste unnecessary time driving, after driving 14 hrs to get there. Ideally I'd love to stop short at 3Mi(have kited there) or Arlington(haven't kited there) but not sure how current high flow levels will affect those spots. Or - should I keep rolling west & focus on HR area? Looks like Rufus isn't an option this trip based on info above?


I am planning to be at Roosevelt (other side of the river from Arlington) on Wednesday and Thursday. Higher water level-no problem. River is wide there, so I don’t think current causes any issues, except maybe bigger swells. The forecast looks pretty damn good so far. Roosevelt has grass, picnic tables, showers, and free camping. Although, not much in the way of food or restaurants.

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PostTue May 15, 18 4:26 am     Reply with quote

Thx for that jiberus....sounds like a great option & likely see you there.

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PostTue May 15, 18 5:31 am     Reply with quote

RE: Roosevelt

Slightly highjacking this. Over the years I've rigged numerous nearly new kites at Roosevelt and come home with pin-hole leaks in the LE. Be aware that there's some kind of alien burr in that grass. Love the place. Coming back soon.

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PostTue May 15, 18 7:23 am     Reply with quote

wylieflyote wrote:
RE: Roosevelt

Slightly highjacking this. Over the years I've rigged numerous nearly new kites at Roosevelt and come home with pin-hole leaks in the LE. Be aware that there's some kind of alien burr in that grass. Love the place. Coming back soon.


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