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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
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Rowena and P.C
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| The worst injurie I have seen the guy landed on his board no leash. Personly I never jump with a leash on but their are times I feel a leash is usefull. Solo at rufus in the spring (cold water big current) riding my directional in the swell no jumping. |
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Bettyboarder
Since 18 Mar 2005
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PDX/ White Salmon
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 7:47 am |
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Last season a guys came bleeding like crazy. His retractable board leash came back and hit him right in the head by his eyebrows right below is HELMET. Split his forhead open all the way, that was the day I stopped using board leash.
They are not worth it, figure its better to lose a $500 board then spend a couple thousand in the ER getting fixed. Spend time in the water and learn to body drag, get rid of the leash
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 8:19 am |
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See bulae, you can start a good thread even if you were completely misinformed and 4 years behind the times.
Just couldn't resist jabbing you....leash made from elastic bungie cords....GREAT idea 
Whats next? Return of the reel bar?
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pdxmonkeyboy
Since 16 May 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 8:24 am |
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| Bettyboarder wrote: |
They are not worth it, figure its better to lose a $500 board then spend a couple thousand in the ER getting fixed. |
Broke my wrist two years ago boarding down from the tilly jane cabin. I narrowly avoided clipping a tree and when I fell, a put my hand down directly on a broken branch from a downed log. It didn't go all the way through my hand, but it was close.
Went to the ER in HR and then put me under to get the "debri" out of my hand, sterilize me and then put a cast on. in and out in around 4hours. Total cost... $11,787.00
That is a LOT of new kite boards. |
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 10:55 am Leash Clip Connected to End of Bungee |
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It rips off if stressed. But, I do agree that if you can't rescue the board by body superman then you need to stay out of water, or buy extra boards.
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 11:14 am That Sucks PDX. I'm sorry to hear of that pain |
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I've had some close calls, but....knock on wood...no broken bones. I was at Silietz Bay flying a used kite and got tea bagged up in the air too far to estimate. I landing about six feet from a big log with spikes of limbs. Not a good ride.
The next day I made a trip to get some SLE kites and have been really happy.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 11:59 am Re: Leash Clip Connected to End of Bungee |
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| bulae99 wrote: | | It rips off if stressed. |
OK?..but what happens with the bunge when it rips off? Do you get whipped by it?
Isn't a crash a stressed event? And if it is not, if you rode without a leash your board would not be far way either.
If it rips off in a stressed event, your still left with a board that you have to body drag to, right? But now since you never practice body dragging, you may loose your board. I'm not seeing any benift other than increasing your potential for being hit by a 5lbs thin sharp object..
And your lofting event is not limited to C kite or old kites, it can happen on any kite...see the post about the 15 to 40knot micro burst the other day in HR..I think most that posted about that event all fly SLE.
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Fly newer gear & DON"T wear a board leash EVER! and you will increase your chances of riding tomorrow! |
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bulae99
Since 12 Jul 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 12:18 pm I've been using this set up for 2 years solid on new kites |
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The leash is attached to the back of my harness. I've never been hit by the recoil. I'm not familiar with the rate of recoil of most retractable leashes but I don't think mine is capable of that kind of a recoil.
If I am attempting a trick back loop and I lose my board the leash just keeps it close. If I'm in control I bring my kite up and just pull the board back to me. I only break the bungee off when I'm really ripping and lose the board. It keeps in closer than if I didn't have it at all.
I never sailed with it when I was a beg. I actually did do quite a bit of body dragging in Siletze Bay and at the Spit.
I still think that it helps, but I do see the arguement for not teaching with one for sure. It's a matter of what I want to spend my time doing. If I'm feeling confident I take off the leash. If I'm going to do big air.. off goes the leash. If I'm going out in big swell and high wind I leash up and on goes the lid.
A matter of choice,
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 8:36 pm |
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I agree with Bulae on this issue. For some people a leash can be useful. Yes it can pose an additional risk, but that risk can be minimized - such as the set up proposed by Bulae.
I don't think a leash should be used as a substitute for knowing how to body drag upwind. A person should still know how to body drag upwind - if for no other reason the leash will pop off at times. But it can be used to save time. I would rather be boarding than chasing my board. |
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 8:50 pm |
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three years and still a board leash ? Maybe some more lessons  |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 9:12 pm |
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| terremoto wrote: | | I would rather be boarding than chasing my board. |
I would rather be boarding than being in the hospital. |
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Garret
Since 07 Sep 2006
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| Mon Jul 02, 07 9:31 pm |
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| Quote: | | I would rather be boarding than being in the hospital. |
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I hear you on that  -- Seriously though, I used to wear a leash and even used it after the board slammed into my helmit one day, but when I start riding with some of the other guys posting on this thread they shamed me out of it. It is a little embarasing as the new guy to be chasing your board a lot, but I haven't been slammed by it since and now I really don't miss it at all.
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KingE
Since 27 Apr 2006
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| Tue Jul 03, 07 6:28 am |
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Some people have wierd ideas of risk management! Wearing a leash is laziness and a totally unnecessary risk. All the anecdotes above involve realizing that the risk is way too high and then quitting with the leash. It is the same with jumping in shallow water - it's all good until after you have blown your knee or broken your ankle, then it becomes obviuos that its just not worth it.
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
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| Tue Jul 03, 07 6:39 am |
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| terremoto wrote: | | I agree with Bulae on this issue. For some people a leash can be useful. |
Just wrong!
Leashes are useful for two things:
1. Wild misbehaving dogs at the spit
2. For enjoyment, when cutting them off peoples boards
I wander why snow skiers don't use a tethered leash? Oh that's right they don't want to get smacked in the head with a ski! Weird, they should cause then they would not have to hike up the hill to go get their ski. Maybe we should recommend it to skiers.
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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
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| Tue Jul 03, 07 7:20 am |
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| everybody has to set their own level of risk. If people decide leashes are to dangerous that is fine. But the people who try to shame people into not using leashes need to think about their reasoning. If it is only safty that is their concern fine but I think a lot of people don't use leashes at all because it is not cool and nobody else is wearing them. If it was only about safty we would have long threads about not wearing helmets land flying and rideing in shawlow water all of wich cause more and worse injuries then leashes. Agin I almost never wear a leash. |
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| Tue Jul 03, 07 7:42 am |
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| tstansbury wrote: | | everybody has to set their own level of risk. If people decide leashes are to dangerous that is fine. But the people who try to shame people into not using leashes need to think about their reasoning. If it is only safty that is their concern fine but I think a lot of people don't use leashes at all because it is not cool and nobody else is wearing them. If it was only about safty we would have long threads about not wearing helmets land flying and rideing in shawlow water all of wich cause more and worse injuries then leashes. Agin I almost never wear a leash. |
It's cool to be safe. 
blueae99 is just getting hammered because he started a thread on how leashes are great for not losing your board. I guess if I started a thread called "Hey lets all ride in the shallows without helmets!" I'd expect some talk back too... |
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trevorsmith
Since 25 Apr 2005
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| Tue Jul 03, 07 7:42 am |
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Um, Yyyeaaah!, I'm gonna have to go ahead and um disagree with you on that tstansbury...
Yes people do assume risk level, but as experienced kiteboarders should never tell beginners or any people it is OK to use board leashes.
experienced kiteboarders ride in shallow water and assume the risk because they have the skills to take such risks. And don't wear leashes because they are dangerous. More experienced riders have their tricks more dialed in with a high degree of certainty that they will land it. They also have the skills when they crash normally don't let the kite go wild and slam into the ground taking out people/kiters with them. If they are doing that, they need to be told to get the F out of the shallows and let the people that can ride in there.
Beginners on the other hand do not have a proper skill set for shallow water riding and will most likely hurt themselves, and should ever ride with board leashes. And should never be encouraged to use them, and be encouraged not to ride in shallow water until their skill set improves.
And no its not cool to throw down a kite loop and crash with a board attached to you. So people don't wear them because there is absolutely no need for them. If you could safely throw down tricks with a board leash, I think people would because it would save the 5 min body drag after your board. But its is not safe, so they don't and therefore say it is uncool!
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