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jack
Since 12 Mar 2006
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boardrider brings up a great point, if something doesnt sit right in you rhead then that is the tme to say something... pkh you did the right thing, you saw something that didnt sit right with you, you thought about the consequences and probably decided you wouldn't feel all that great if something happened so you said something.
as far as being a dick, if you go to someone with genuine concern and they think you are a dick, it is on them not you.
although using the work kook is somewhat accurate and funny, it may not be the most welcoming of terms to use. if i were new to the sport and i read this forum, i might refrain from talking to someone more seasoned on the beach as i might infer they think i am just a kook. rather than patrol the beach, i think it is more important to never be to busy or look to busy to lend a hand and or take 15 minutes out of your day to help someone out, offer advice etc.... we all know what it is like to 'look" to busy to lend a hand or launch bc we want to be on the water. body languauge on the beach should welcome engagement.
another isssue is that if there were a "kook" patrol, who would tell the patrol when they are being kooks? you cant tell me that having 5 people in and out of the kiddie pool, kitelooping, raileying and going big is not kooky behavoir? not judging it, becuase i assume based on all of your skill that you know risks involved, the trouble is someone seeing all the fun being had in there may want part of it and assume since the guys in the 'know" do it, it is probably ok. it is kind of like the parent telling the kid about the downside of alchohol with a drink in his/her hand.
not saying you shouldnt be in there oing it, but it is another challenge to overcome when trying to help newer folks have a fun safe time.
the fear of dickdom is probably easier to overcome than the regret of knowing you might of been able to help prevent something tragic.
as far as the "kid" in the kiddie pool, that had a much lower cringe factor (in fact none at all for me) than a lot of what i see out there everyday. that said, i also know the kid has had lessons and has a ton of time flying on trainers and waroo's. |
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boardrider
Since 05 Apr 2006
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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| Wed Jun 06, 07 8:29 am |
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what is BLS certified?
I'm down to volunteer for safety patrol for an hour or two on most saturdays. exceptions would include but not limited to weekend coastal trips and the BOG comp weekend. |
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jack
Since 12 Mar 2006
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| boardrider would everyone get their own boardshorts or would the patrol share one pair? |
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boardrider
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gabe
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| this forum was a lot more fun last year, before all this bureaucratic aspiration. maybe a new kite congress forum should be created for everyone who hasn't satisfied their leadership, organizing, and rule making interests. |
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boardrider
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
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| jack wrote: | | as far as the "kid" in the kiddie pool, that had a much lower cringe factor (in fact none at all for me) than a lot of what i see out there everyday. that said, i also know the kid has had lessons and has a ton of time flying on trainers and waroo's. |
The kid did seem to have pretty good kite control and I probably would not had said anything if it wasn't for the fact that plenty of us witnessed him getting yanked hard and lofted once, probably 10 feet up and 20 feet downwind. You could see the kid was really powered, he was probably 70lbs wet and there were full size guys riding 7m kites powered when he was out. Right after they took down the wind came up a lot, I'm pretty sure he would have gotten lofted downwind if he was still out when this happened.
And even though he was on a 5m, a 5m can pull like a 12m if you send it through the window fast enough. He was one bad kiteloop away from the rocks downwind and he had no helmet on.
As far as me and the other people rotating in and out of the kiddie pool, doing kiteloops and jumps... hell yes it is dangerous. But if everyone has control and is paying attention, then it works. We're all in there because riding butter flat water in 25 knots is like riding elbow deep powder on a steep slope... you just got to love it.
I crashed hard plenty of times (couple of kiteloops gone bad.) When I hit, I hit the water, there are some fairly deep spots out there. The only thing I wouldn't want to do is hit the bottom feet first without my board, that would be bad.
So I guess does it qualify as "stupid" .. yes probably, same way jibbing rails is stupid, there are consequences. But its a lot different than getting yourself in an unknown situation without control. I think that's what separates it. |
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J.P.
Since 10 Mar 2005
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| Wed Jun 06, 07 9:04 am |
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| gabe wrote: | | this forum was a lot more fun last year, before all this bureaucratic aspiration. maybe a new kite congress forum should be created for everyone who hasn't satisfied their leadership, organizing, and rule making interests. |
To each their own.
The aspiration to create a politically correct utopian forum is what condemns "Fun to Death" in my book.
JP
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away" ~ Philip K. Dick
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blancoh2o
Since 15 Mar 2005
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You can arrange a CPR class through the HR Fire Department. The American Red Cross also offers CPR as well as a real basic first aid class.
The cost of the classes is usually pretty inexpensive. They try to cover the equipment and instructor expenses. They are not into it for profit and do like to get as many lay public people trained as possible.
Speaking of first aid, how many of you carry a simple first aid kit? How about a 1 way valve mask? If you don't have one, I suggest picking one up. It really sucks to have the knowledge to help out, but not have the gear.
There are quite a few highly trained medical professionals that kite. I am sure any of us would be willing to lend a hand. Next time you hear of an injury or medical situation at one of the launches, give a shout out for help. I was at the sand bar on the Saturday that the guy hit the log pile. I had no idea that there was someone in need of help until I saw the fire engine roll into the parking lot. We can do better at passing the word on..... |
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jack
Since 12 Mar 2006
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| Wed Jun 06, 07 9:09 am |
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| pkh fully understand and hope you dont think i am condeming being in there, the only concern is that seeing you in there folks with less experience may think it is a good place to start rather than walking up wind our out past the end of the sandbar. people tend to gravitate toward areas where their is perceived fun whether they "belong" there or not. |
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stringy
Since 23 Jun 2006
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| magicmaker wrote: | i think what the CGKA has going for us is great and we got all our bases covered and we're all having lots of fun doing it (both kiting and being a part of the CGKA).
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I recently joined (4/06/07) the CGKA. I am unsure of what the membership provides. I expected to recieve emails based on a couple of emails I recieved on 5/18/07 asking to join a list.cgka.net email list.
While the CGKA website lists the minutes from the last meeting, it does seem like it could use some more information.
It would be good to understand the CGKA's stance on some of these current issues that are being discussed on this forum.
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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stringy -
we are planning on having an upcoming BOD meeting, are there any specific issues you'd like us to discuss and come to an agreement about then we can post our stance.
The mailing lists i've setup are for general discussion, but very few people are members on it because most discussion happens on this forum. The other mailing list is strictly for announcement, ie non BOD meetings and other special events. If anyone has an concerns about the CGKA, please feel free to pm me and i will bring it up at the next BOD meeting.
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