Northwest Kiteboarding
Forum | Classifieds | Lost & Found | CGKA | Industry | Sensors | Forecast | Spots | Seattle | Decals | RSS | Facebook

Events | Photos | Search | Register | Profile | Log in to check your messages | Log in 

Gorge Ban the Bags!
Page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Northwest Kiteboarding -> Gorge / Portland / Oregon Coast
previous topic :: next topic  
Author Message
blowhard

Since 26 Dec 2005
2006 Posts

Windward



PostThu May 23, 19 6:17 am    plastic Reply with quote

Perhaps you may have not seen the "Shitty Minutes" story of the "plastic recycle" a few weeks ago. Where they were showing barge loads of plastic from the USA not going to China but stopping in Viet Nam and being unloaded on some rock and being dumped into the sea.


So that could be the cause of so much plastic in the sea.


I know for a fact that I never throw any thing plastic out ,so unless the garbage guys( I guess the are) are doing it ,
my trash should be in a hole waiting for some to mine it much later Rolling Eyes

View user's profile Send private message
pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
6073 Posts
forever labled as the
Unicorn Master



PostThu May 23, 19 7:20 am     Reply with quote

The increase in greenhouse gas emission makes sense, as other bags do take more energy to produce and transport. While not ideal, I think it is an acceptable unintended consequence.

The problem with the bags is the fact they end up becoming trash in our waterways and on the landscape. Banning them, in every instance, has been shown to cause a dramatic drop in plastic waste. That was the goal of the program.

_________________
Bury me standing cause I won't lay down!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAw2VFR4Y&feature=PlayList&p=FB7233C37686AC79&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
ldhr

Since 21 Jul 2009
1174 Posts
Hood River
XTreme Poster



PostThu May 23, 19 8:42 am     Reply with quote

Ultimate solution is to recycle the plastic bags - most grocery stores and Walmart have bins at the entrance for recycling the bags.

Another solution is to recycle your kites and make tote bags from them!

This post was initiated by an initiative in White Salmon.
Gorge trash goes to a landfill in Roosevelt or Arlington... miles from any river or waterway.
Not sure how any plastics in the Gorge trash would end up on a beach in Indonesia?


   IMG_2786.JPG 

Last edited by ldhr on Thu May 23, 19 8:54 am; edited 2 times in total

View user's profile Send private message
SalmonSlayer

Since 27 Nov 2005
637 Posts

Addicted

CGKA Member


PostThu May 23, 19 8:42 am     Reply with quote

Not so fast on patting your privileged selves on the back.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/23/726035361/why-banning-plastic-grocery-bags-could-be-a-bad-move

Knee jerk reactions and a lack of self awareness (oh the hypocrisy!!) will lead to all kinds of baseless irrelevant policies you can grand stand on while you pat yourselves on the the back rather vigorously.

What is next? Swinging your sword at plastic straw windmills?

Where are the people that walk the talk?

Anyone, anyone?

View user's profile Send private message
wylieflyote

Since 30 Jun 2006
1408 Posts
Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
XTreme Poster



PostThu May 23, 19 9:20 am     Reply with quote

Why all the fuss? 3 years ago stinky Tacoma enacted a no-bag law. I'm fine. For a few weeks it was dammit, now what? But since then it's kinda like the seatbelt law.... who here gets into a car without thinking about the seatbelt?

Same with groceries now. Wouldn't think of going to the store without a cloth bag.
Get over it.

_________________
CGKA Member
-------
Kip Wylie

View user's profile Send private message
pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
6073 Posts
forever labled as the
Unicorn Master



PostThu May 23, 19 11:14 am     Reply with quote

SalmonSlayer wrote:
Not so fast on patting your privileged selves on the back.

Knee jerk reactions and a lack of self awareness (oh the hypocrisy!!) will lead to all kinds of baseless irrelevant policies you can grand stand on while you pat yourselves on the the back rather vigorously.

What is next? Swinging your sword at plastic straw windmills?

Where are the people that walk the talk?

Anyone, anyone?


This is soo funny.. so let me get this straight... you are or not part of the "privileged" kiteboarding class? You don't ever drive a car? Your diesel commercial fishing boat....what kinds of pollution control devices does it have on it? Are you currently running on a treadmil in order to power your laptop and internet router?

Get off your high horse Sidhartha (you can google that.. its a book).

You should google the word hypocrisy, putting forth effort to minimize environmental impacts while still having some environmental impacts is not an example of hypocrisy.

_________________
Bury me standing cause I won't lay down!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAw2VFR4Y&feature=PlayList&p=FB7233C37686AC79&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
chrissmack

Since 08 Jun 2005
470 Posts
portland
Obsessed



PostThu May 23, 19 1:01 pm    . Reply with quote

Popcorn

such restraint; four pages and very little name calling

meanwhile, this lady is littering all over the streets of LA...


   rv pursuit dog 052119_1558499693298.JPG_7300799_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg 

View user's profile Send private message
pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
6073 Posts
forever labled as the
Unicorn Master



PostThu May 23, 19 1:22 pm     Reply with quote

yeah, but it is probably the first time someone was insulted by calling them Sidhartha. LOL
_________________
Bury me standing cause I won't lay down!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAw2VFR4Y&feature=PlayList&p=FB7233C37686AC79&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Nak

Since 19 May 2005
3740 Posts
Camas
XTreme Poster

CGKA Member


PostThu May 23, 19 3:35 pm     Reply with quote

pdxmonkeyboy wrote:
putting forth effort to minimize environmental impacts while still having some environmental impacts is not an example of hypocrisy.


OK, my new favorite quote on the internet. Thumb's Up

View user's profile Send private message
Gman

Since 11 Feb 2006
4796 Posts
Portland
Unstrapped



PostThu May 23, 19 3:43 pm     Reply with quote

SalmonSlayer wrote:
Not so fast on patting your privileged selves on the back.

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/23/726035361/why-banning-plastic-grocery-bags-could-be-a-bad-move



so the gist of the story is people re-use the grocery store plastic bags - for their trash bags or picking up dog poop (which is sub-optimal since you can find a million flavors of biodegradable dog poop bags)

and sales of thicker bags increase - these guys prefer a fee vs ban

I'd like to see grocery stores move towards zero packaging - does your salad really need to be protected in an impenetrable plastic clamshell case - 25% of landfill use is this single use packaging...

I've nearly been crushed by an industrial shipping pallet mixed in with other garbage surfing in mexico and have had a plastic meat container wedge between my toes with the price tag still readable, surfing in NY $5.68 - some behavior modification seems in order


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/rise-zero-waste-grocery-stores-180971495/





Why Banning Plastic Grocery Bags Could Be A Bad Move
3:23
DOWNLOAD
TRANSCRIPT
May 23, 20195:02 AM ET
Heard on Morning Edition
GREG ROSALSKY


STACEY VANEK SMITH

Plastic bags are not biodegradable and can do great harms to wildlife. Cities and states across the country are banning plastic bags, but those bans may be having unintended consequences.

Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?
PLANET MONEY
Are Plastic Bag Bans Garbage?
STEVE INSKEEP, HOST:

Plastic bags, as you may know, have a bad reputation. They're not biodegradable. They're seen as a toxic pollutant that can do great harm to wildlife. Some states and hundreds of cities have now passed bans on plastic bags or demanding a fee if you use one. But those bans may be having unintended consequences.

NPR Newsletter Editor Greg Rosalsky joined Stacey Vanek Smith on our podcast The Indicator from NPR's Planet Money to explain.

STACEY VANEK SMITH, BYLINE: Your newsletter - it was like a love letter to the plastic bag.

GREG ROSALSKY, BYLINE: Yeah, love letter might be a little much. I do love plastic bags, though, I do.

VANEK SMITH: So tell us what you found.

ROSALSKY: So I talked to this economist. Her name's Rebecca Taylor. Taylor recently published this super interesting study about bag bans in California.

REBECCA TAYLOR: What I found was that sales of garbage bags actually skyrocketed after plastic carry-out bags were banned.

ROSALSKY: So people would reuse their bags to, like, line trash bins...

VANEK SMITH: Oh, I do that.

ROSALSKY: Do you use them to pick up dog poop? Because that's another common thing...

VANEK SMITH: I don't have a dog (laughter).

ROSALSKY: I don't either. But all these people who reuse their plastic bags - they still needed bags.

TAYLOR: Small garbage bags - they went up by 120% - their sales did. Medium bags went up by 60%.

ROSALSKY: And so here's the crucial thing that she told me. Garbage bags are actually thicker than shopping bags, so they use more plastic.

TAYLOR: I find that about 30% of the plastic that was eliminated by banning carry-out bags comes back in the form of thicker garbage bags.

ROSALSKY: But here's the thing. These bans didn't apply to paper bags.

VANEK SMITH: OK.

ROSALSKY: And that led to a huge increase of paper use.

VANEK SMITH: I always get paper grocery bags.

ROSALSKY: OK. Stacey, so like, please, like, do not hate me for pointing this out...

VANEK SMITH: OK.

ROSALSKY: But so, actually, there are multiple studies - they all show that, actually, paper bags are worse for the environment than plastic.

VANEK SMITH: Really?

ROSALSKY: Yeah. So paper bags have this one really great thing for them, which is they are biodegradable. They will eventually break down. But you have to use way more energy to create them. So we have a major uptick of trash bag sales, and then we have a major uptick of paper bag use. That's why Taylor says banning plastic shopping bags ends up increasing greenhouse gas emissions.

VANEK SMITH: So I would say this leaves us with nothing, but there is a kind of bag that I use all the time. And, you know, this is public radio, so we cannot have this conversation without bringing up the noble tote bag.

ROSALSKY: Stacey, no. I don't want to have to say this but I have to. There's a study from the U.K. government. And they found a person would have to use a cotton tote bag 131 times before it was better for climate change than using a plastic grocery bag once.

VANEK SMITH: What? OK, Greg. But, like, we can't just carry things around in our arms. Like, what are we supposed to do?

ROSALSKY: You should reuse the same bag over and over again. Now, that bag should probably not be organic cotton. Use one that's, like, polyester or a somewhat durable plastic.

But then there's kind of the broader policy question. Taylor thinks a fee is smarter than a ban. That's because they're both equally effective when it comes to the goal of encouraging reuse.

TAYLOR: So about 50% of customers begin using reusable bags under both a ban and under a fee.

(SOUNDBITE OF KOLOTO'S "MECHANICA")

ROSALSKY: So impose a fee and encourage reuse.

VANEK SMITH: Stacey Vanek Smith.

ROSALSKY: Greg Rosalsky, NPR News.








https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/rise-zero-waste-grocery-stores-180971495/

_________________
Go Deep!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uQITWbAaDx0

View user's profile Send private message
bustingbladder

Since 12 Jul 2006
377 Posts
Seattle
Obsessed



PostThu May 23, 19 6:33 pm     Reply with quote

Shout out to PDXmonkeybrat! Miss you buddy and hope to see you this weekend! Been a long time brother!

The bags are an issue everywhere... Next!


Wally Gator

_________________
CABRINHA http://www.cabrinhakites.com/index.php?lang=en#
NP Surf http://www.npsurf.com/
Dakine http://dakine.com/
Transcend Apparel http://www.transcendapparel.com/
Urban Surf http://www.urbansurf.com/
Alohabrothers Racing Oahu, HI

View user's profile Send private message
bustingbladder

Since 12 Jul 2006
377 Posts
Seattle
Obsessed



PostThu May 23, 19 6:36 pm     Reply with quote

Paul, you really got the boys going on this thread! Popcorn
_________________
CABRINHA http://www.cabrinhakites.com/index.php?lang=en#
NP Surf http://www.npsurf.com/
Dakine http://dakine.com/
Transcend Apparel http://www.transcendapparel.com/
Urban Surf http://www.urbansurf.com/
Alohabrothers Racing Oahu, HI

View user's profile Send private message
fisherman

Since 06 Aug 2007
113 Posts

Stoked



PostFri May 24, 19 4:51 pm     Reply with quote

The people who make plastic bags are only doing it to make a profit. Why would you want to take someone's livelihood away ? Is somebody taking yours ? And who cares anyway? According to some of the brightest minds like Occasional Gortex we only have 12 years ahead of us. Let's just enjoy life with no worries.

View user's profile Send private message
pdxmonkeyboy

Since 16 May 2006
6073 Posts
forever labled as the
Unicorn Master



PostSat May 25, 19 11:20 am     Reply with quote

fisherman wrote:
The people who make plastic bags are only doing it to make a profit. Why would you want to take someone's livelihood away ? Is somebody taking yours ? And who cares anyway? According to some of the brightest minds like Occasional Gortex we only have 12 years ahead of us. Let's just enjoy life with no worries.


I love this sooo much. Occasional Gortex? Who is this luminary?

#rightwinginsultfail

_________________
Bury me standing cause I won't lay down!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVvAw2VFR4Y&feature=PlayList&p=FB7233C37686AC79&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=34

View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
knotwindy

Since 25 Sep 2011
436 Posts

Obsessed



PostSat May 25, 19 1:44 pm     Reply with quote

Maybe the guy who got more presidential votes but had the election given away by the SCOTUS. Although these days that should probably not be capitalized, not much respect is deserved there any longer.
_________________
curiously observing blurry patterns while slightly distracted

View user's profile Send private message
fisherman

Since 06 Aug 2007
113 Posts

Stoked



PostSat May 25, 19 6:46 pm     Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy8ML8atCQ4

View user's profile Send private message
Nak

Since 19 May 2005
3740 Posts
Camas
XTreme Poster

CGKA Member


PostSat May 25, 19 10:05 pm     Reply with quote

Guys, first--Fisherman is just a Troll. Not feeding the Troll is a really a good idea. Second, Environmentalism is one thing. Environmentalism can and should transcend left vs right politics. But this thread is starting to devolve into left vs right politics. Please, leave the politics out of this forum. Nobody is going to win; all we'll end up doing is making nwKite as bad as Facebook. Seriously, leave the politics to other social media that's already fucked up. This is a KITING forum. Let's leave it that way. Thank you.

View user's profile Send private message
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Northwest Kiteboarding -> Gorge / Portland / Oregon Coast All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Page 4 of 7

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum