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Ryan
Since 14 Jul 2005
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Wed May 02, 07 8:41 am surfboard inserts - pad and insert integration |
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I thought there was a manufacturer of a pad that had inserts integrated into it (NSI - HEIN?). Im wonding if anybody can tell me who is the maker and if anybody has any good or bad things to say about the product.
Is this better than retrofitting a board with regular inserts?
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Bettyboarder
Since 18 Mar 2005
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Pepi
Since 16 Jun 2006
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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Wed May 02, 07 9:05 am |
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those are pretty cool.
I used the NSI stick on inserts, and one has already come loose (about 4 light wind uses). |
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chanson
Since 31 Jan 2006
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Wed May 02, 07 9:15 am |
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I am in need of some NSI/Hein stick-on's with inserts also...
I have heard they are great. I think Gorge Performance had them and now they are on order.......?
Also, I am curious where to stick them. I was told I should ride my board strapless to see where the sweet-spot is first, but that means I need to wax it all over again, after I just took it all off. any other options..? _________________ Shallow Dive Design, 2nd Wind Sports, Airush, Trident Sports |
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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Wed May 02, 07 10:37 am |
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I'm not sure what folks are using the 2 hole surface mount
inserts for but obviously they may not be sufficient for higher
loads. I'd be curious to hear which position popped loose.
They were develope primarily for surfboards where you
run your straps looser. Using them on twintips might be a
stretch.
A smooth (not sanded) clean, warm, dry surface is going
to give you the best bond. But that doesn't mean that you
can't work them loose overtime. They are designed to go
under a pad which will keep water from getting in around
the edges. You could seal the around the edges with
a bead of silicone if your not covering them with a pad.
Here is the solution:
I just made a whole bunch of 4 hole surface mounts that
have roughly twice as much bonding area as the 2 hole
version. NSI is not offering those yet but I'm sure they will.
These will work better in high load applications and give
you two strap positions as well.
The Surf-N-Skim pads have muich bigger plate with VHB
that goes under your foot. It's got the most bonding
area and is well protected by the surrounding pad.
NSI or Walmart can set you up with some new VHB
tape so you can reapply an insert that comes loose.
(yes, Walmart has it but it may not be as good as
what NSI is using. It's heavy duty exterior mouting
tape with RED backing)
You may want to get the larger ones if you know
you did a good job with surface prep and installation
but they still came off.
Bear with me while I develop this into a product line
that will have a solution for most applications.
Thanks,
Hein Last edited by Hein on Wed May 02, 07 10:44 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Ben
Since 28 Jun 2005
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Wed May 02, 07 10:44 am |
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I have been using the NSI pads for awhile now on a few different boards. Considering the abuse they have taken, and stayed firmly in place (which shocked me at first) they get a big thumbs up. Much easier than the router/plug/glassing that used to have to happen. It also opens up the possibility of a billion different options for kite specific boards.
Good job Hein. |
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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Wed May 02, 07 11:51 am |
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Hein wrote: | I'm not sure what folks are using the 2 hole surface mount
inserts for but obviously they may not be sufficient for higher
loads. I'd be curious to hear which position popped loose.
They were develope primarily for surfboards where you
run your straps looser. Using them on twintips might be a
stretch.
A smooth (not sanded) clean, warm, dry surface is going
to give you the best bond. But that doesn't mean that you
can't work them loose overtime. They are designed to go
under a pad which will keep water from getting in around
the edges. You could seal the around the edges with
a bead of silicone if your not covering them with a pad.
Here is the solution:
I just made a whole bunch of 4 hole surface mounts that
have roughly twice as much bonding area as the 2 hole
version. NSI is not offering those yet but I'm sure they will.
These will work better in high load applications and give
you two strap positions as well.
The Surf-N-Skim pads have muich bigger plate with VHB
that goes under your foot. It's got the most bonding
area and is well protected by the surrounding pad.
NSI or Walmart can set you up with some new VHB
tape so you can reapply an insert that comes loose.
(yes, Walmart has it but it may not be as good as
what NSI is using. It's heavy duty exterior mouting
tape with RED backing)
You may want to get the larger ones if you know
you did a good job with surface prep and installation
but they still came off.
Bear with me while I develop this into a product line
that will have a solution for most applications.
Thanks,
Hein |
I think I broke every item in your post!
I am using it on a twin-tip, highly sanded (>2000 grit), then polished epoxy layer. I had it mounted under a footpad, but a foot strap was screwed into it. It was a "clean" separation, meaning the pad came off the surface like it was never stuck.
I was thinking of just using some spray adhesive, but since wal-mart carries the stickies, perhaps that is a better solution! (after I rough the surface up a bit). I think I'll try this too: "You could seal the around the edges with a bead of silicone if your not covering them with a pad."
I still think it's a great solution! WAY easier than getting inserts all lined up nicely inside the board! |
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Kataku2k3
Since 14 Aug 2005
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Los Angeles, CA
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Wed May 02, 07 12:11 pm |
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Fuck the tape, just use Hein's inserts with EPOXY! Then it'll probably rip the top deck of your board off before anything else. |
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