Northwest Kiteboarding
Forum | Classifieds | Lost & Found | CGKA | Industry | Sensors | Forecast | Spots | Seattle | Decals | RSS | Facebook

Events | Photos | Search | Register | Profile | Log in to check your messages | Log in 

CGKA - Maintaining good relations at Lyle
Page Previous  1, 2, 3
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Northwest Kiteboarding -> Gorge / Portland / Oregon Coast
previous topic :: next topic  
Author Message
SalmonSlayer

Since 27 Nov 2005
548 Posts

Addicted



PostTue Sep 19, 17 8:00 am     Reply with quote

Matt V wrote:

1. Fish schooling behavior in deep water is much different than shallow.
2. Overhead predators are not as much of a concern to fish in this situation.
3. Does the hum of an engine up your anxiety as much as a backfire?
4. Basic animal behavioral evolution/adaptation clearly illustrates that regular occurrences are much more likely to be ignored than rare occurrences - something out of place sounds the alarm - not something normally encountered.


1. The location of the pic is shallow water like the mouth of the Klickitat. It is hard to see but the boats in the picture the furthest away are scraping bottom at about 36 inches. You can see a mud flat a bit further away. The boats in the foreground are in about 6 feet. The nets are dragging on the bottom.
2. See #1. In addition, if fish salmon are conditioned to avoid shadows from predators and kites spook them, it is odd that they still seem willing to swim in the shadow of multiple bridges and a fish ladder, including the Klickitat bridge.
3. These boats are not humming a hypnotic tune. They are making all kinds of noise rev'ing their engines and beating on their transmissions. Forward, reverse, forward, reverse.... It is a bunch of 200-500 HP engines creating variable noise.
4. Columbia river fish have way more exposure man made noise and man made obstacles while running up the Columbia with boat traffic and a huge fish ladder, yet they are not swimming away . The fish in the pic have been in the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea and are not likely to have 1/10 of the exposure to man made variables that Columbia salmon experience by the time they get to the Klickitat river mouth.

Matt V wrote:
Ever fly fished and spooked a fish because you were too close and then tried to catch it? I have some experience fishing a wide range of species and I can guarantee you that a spooked fish is near impossible to get interested in almost any lure.


This is a more valid argument for other fish that mill around rather than a fish that is swimming to breed once at all costs. I have not fly fished and dont really understand catching one at a time except for food. Catch and release seems cruel to me.

The real point regardless of kite boardings effect on fishing.
Other user groups have been using the Columbia for generations. I think these groups deserve a wide berth to continue their activities without feeling like there is an invasion in their space and a threat to their continued enjoyment of the Columbia river. It is not hard. Just draw an imaginary line in the exposed sand bar dividing it into an east and west half. Kite boarders should stay in the west half for setup and stay out of the river mouth when on the water. The only other issue is a plan to deal with those that refuse to abide by these rules.

View user's profile Send private message
Matt V

Since 26 Oct 2014
268 Posts
Summer- OR Coast, Winter - My van near good snow
Explosive Diarrhea



PostWed Sep 20, 17 6:37 am     Reply with quote

SalmonSlayer wrote:

1. The location of the pic is shallow water like the mouth of the Klickitat. It is hard to see but the boats in the picture the furthest away are scraping bottom at about 36 inches. You can see a mud flat a bit further away. The boats in the foreground are in about 6 feet. The nets are dragging on the bottom.
2. See #1. In addition, if fish salmon are conditioned to avoid shadows from predators and kites spook them, it is odd that they still seem willing to swim in the shadow of multiple bridges and a fish ladder, including the Klickitat bridge.
3. These boats are not humming a hypnotic tune. They are making all kinds of noise rev'ing their engines and beating on their transmissions. Forward, reverse, forward, reverse.... It is a bunch of 200-500 HP engines creating variable noise.
4. Columbia river fish have way more exposure man made noise and man made obstacles while running up the Columbia with boat traffic and a huge fish ladder, yet they are not swimming away . The fish in the pic have been in the Gulf of Alaska and the Bering Sea and are not likely to have 1/10 of the exposure to man made variables that Columbia salmon experience by the time they get to the Klickitat river mouth.


1. Fish do not bite on gill nets. No one is saying they do. It is obvious they can be "spooked" into them. That is most likely what you are seeing in the pic you posted from Alaska or somewhere else.
2. Nothing stops a salmon from making the run upstream. I never said it did. And anyone making that claim is denying mountains of evidence against that. All evidence shows that an upstream run will end in successfully reaching the goal, or the salmon dies trying. No boat, kiteboarder, "bridge shadow" (where did you get that one?), or bear fishing in the stream will prevent a salmon from making it upstream unless they are killed by that particular thing.

The above is not an issue. If it becomes one, science would show that we are right in saying that kiteboarding has no impact on upstream migration of salmon.

The bellow is the real issue of contention in the kiteboarding community.

The issue is whether there is an impact on lure fishermen's success with kites overhead. The key difference between a kite and an bridge is that the kite is moving, and the bridge is stationary. You can easily prove through behavioral analysis that a moving overhead object is orders of magnitude more alarming to fish than a stationary one. Birds of prey have absolutely impacted the behavioral evolution of fish across nearly all species who even temporarily occupy the surface layers of the waters in which they live.

This is the argument, which some of us want not to be true. It is an argument we will lose. Pick your battles.

_________________
MSN has temporarily removed commenting on our websites while we explore better ways for you to engage in discussion on the issues you care about.

View user's profile Send private message
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Northwest Kiteboarding -> Gorge / Portland / Oregon Coast All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page Previous  1, 2, 3
Page 3 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum