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lldkr
Since 01 Jun 2012
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Fri Jun 19, 15 3:33 pm starboard right of way |
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Do people actually follow this -- two riders on opposite tacks, the one heading torwards Oregon always has upwind right of way? |
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voy-tech
Since 08 Apr 2014
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Seattle
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Fri Jun 19, 15 3:55 pm Re: starboard right of way |
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lldkr wrote: | the one heading torwards Oregon always has upwind right of way? |
That's very misleading since it will change on East winds, better is to say that surfing right hand/leg forward (starboard tack) has right of way. I think very few people who didn't come from sailing/windsurfing know that.
However on the same note I think people are also afraid of crossing closely and could feel like someone else is forcing his/her right of way. I had some occasions where I was on port tack and had more than enough space to cross with someone on starboard tack, however that person turned anyway. _________________ My pictures of the beautiful PNW
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knotwindy
Since 25 Sep 2011
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Fri Jun 19, 15 5:54 pm Re: starboard right of way |
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lldkr wrote: | Do people actually follow this -- two riders on opposite tacks, the one heading torwards Oregon always has upwind right of way? |
occasionally, and usually by mistake |
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ShiverMeTimbers
Since 26 Feb 2013
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Gig Harbor
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Sat Jun 20, 15 10:51 pm |
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Having been a sailing instructor for many years, I've found that kiters are clueless about sailing rules of the road.
I had a guy upwind of me come down and almost lay his kite on top of mine, and start yelling at me that I was cutting him off. Leward boat has right of way when on the same tack, knucklehead! And technically I was closer hauled, as I was going upwind. But most of this is wasted breath, so I just try to avoid everybody. It's chaos, I tell you! |
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HRnico
Since 22 Mar 2008
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Da Hood
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Sun Jun 21, 15 7:24 am |
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Don't worry about right of way. Most have no clue. Keep your self safe first. _________________ CGKA Member |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Sun Jun 21, 15 7:44 am |
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A small mix of kiters and wind surfers out at Three Mile several weeks ago. One of the kiters was working on tricks in the flat water and landed in front and close to a beginner wind surfer.
During a break she came up to him and asked him if he was aware that he got close and if he knew the right of way rules.
He was visiting from Switzerland on a kiting road trip; knowing he caused concern he apologized for getting close and listened to her explain how it worked. He thanked her and apologized again - then we all went back out and everyone was happy to be on the water.
Some people wont say anything, some people will say too much. Some people won't listen, some people will - so many people now it's hard to say how an interaction will go. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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argos
Since 07 Apr 2010
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Sun Jun 21, 15 6:07 pm |
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ShiverMeTimbers wrote: | Having been a sailing instructor for many years, I've found that kiters are clueless about sailing rules of the road.
I had a guy upwind of me come down and almost lay his kite on top of mine, and start yelling at me that I was cutting him off. Leward boat has right of way when on the same tack, knucklehead! And technically I was closer hauled, as I was going upwind. But most of this is wasted breath, so I just try to avoid everybody. It's chaos, I tell you! |
You raise an interesting point. You are just trying to get upwind and the other guy/gal just did the same thing for thirty minutes to get up to the swell at the Hatch. Now you cut them off just as he/she is getting their groove on a nice little wave. They just laid out a nice turn and are heading for a rare little wall, but out of the corner of their eye someone is coming along mowing the lawn to get up to the same spot. They have to bail off their line and maybe start back upwind to get into the rotation again.
I am not saying this is what happened, but it does happen nearly every day in the summer. I agree with staying out of the way of everyone, but I really try to give the rider on the "wave" as much room as I can if I am just trying to get upwind. |
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knotwindy
Since 25 Sep 2011
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Sun Jun 21, 15 6:38 pm |
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+1 even thought they are not 'waves' i still try to let anyone on them keep going and stay out of their way, as well. just being friendly and hope the favor is returned. |
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Trent
Since 10 May 2012
76 Posts
Hood River
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Mon Jun 22, 15 8:15 am |
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Something to consider....while I think it makes sense that we've made some 'adjustments' to the right-of-way rules here is the Gorge, the courts will consider kiteboarders as 'Sailing Craft' in the event that litigation occurs from an incident, collision, injury etc. If you hit and injure someone and are NOT following the standard sailing right-of-way rules then you will most likely be help liable in court. |
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Freeride Kiter
Since 08 Jul 2011
701 Posts
El Sargento, B.C.S. Mexico
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Mon Jun 22, 15 9:12 am |
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Courts will also consider force majeure, medical issues (emergency or not) and a plethora of other circumstances in that manner as acceptable reasons for taking someones right of way. How would one know something was going on. It's a snowball for sure.
I tend make my way through the crowds towards open real-estate and then go about my lawn mowing carnage. _________________ "I have often regretted my speech, never my silence" ~Xenocrates |
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jerp
Since 22 Feb 2013
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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Mon Jun 22, 15 10:25 am |
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ErraticAKn wrote: | I tend make my way through the crowds towards open real-estate and then go about my lawn mowing carnage. |
Best advice above.
Give way, especially to rookie kiters and windsurfers, even if you think you deserve some "right of way" sailing etiquette bs. The best part is it applies for any wind direction. |
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Jonpnw
Since 22 Jul 2010
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Mon Jun 22, 15 10:31 am I agree with Jerp |
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jerp
Since 22 Feb 2013
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Mon Jun 22, 15 10:42 am Re: I agree with Jerp |
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totally tried to copy something from facebook in here, went very well as you can see. I will give it a shot later |
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jerp
Since 22 Feb 2013
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ShiverMeTimbers
Since 26 Feb 2013
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Gig Harbor
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Mon Jun 22, 15 7:56 pm |
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argos wrote: | ShiverMeTimbers wrote: | Having been a sailing instructor for many years, I've found that kiters are clueless about sailing rules of the road.
I had a guy upwind of me come down and almost lay his kite on top of mine, and start yelling at me that I was cutting him off. Leward boat has right of way when on the same tack, knucklehead! And technically I was closer hauled, as I was going upwind. But most of this is wasted breath, so I just try to avoid everybody. It's chaos, I tell you! |
You raise an interesting point. You are just trying to get upwind and the other guy/gal just did the same thing for thirty minutes to get up to the swell at the Hatch. Now you cut them off just as he/she is getting their groove on a nice little wave. They just laid out a nice turn and are heading for a rare little wall, but out of the corner of their eye someone is coming along mowing the lawn to get up to the same spot. They have to bail off their line and maybe start back upwind to get into the rotation again.
I am not saying this is what happened, but it does happen nearly every day in the summer. I agree with staying out of the way of everyone, but I really try to give the rider on the "wave" as much room as I can if I am just trying to get upwind. |
While I hear what you're saying, and I do try to yield to kiters on waves around the Hatch to the bridge, this particular instance was only 200-300 yards upwind from the sandbar. Dude came into my blindspot... the only way I knew he was there was seeing his kite starting to hump mine. I guarantee he was not surfing anything. |
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knotwindy
Since 25 Sep 2011
606 Posts
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Mon Jun 22, 15 8:21 pm |
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yea, it would be nice if people knew the rules and paid attention to them
but
they don't do it in any other area of their lives, so why kiteboarding?
they/we kite to get away from it all, not follow more rules
they/we think the rules are for others who don't know what we know
have you seen how most people drive, that's how they kite
poor control, less awareness, poor judgment, slightly distracted
it is, after all, all about me
life would be better if people were just more (____________)
fill in the blank with whatever you like cause it just won't happen
this culture is a mess and failing quickly, so kite and have fun and hope for the best and remember tomorrow is promised to no one... |
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