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tautologies
Since 24 Aug 2006
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I've had two underground wavetrays, and I don't think the design is optimal for me. The tip surely save you from digging the tip into the waves, and it will push the board up if you dive the nose in but holding and releasing an edge is better on a straight edge. The regular edges works better for me.
But as everything else, I guess these designs come around every now and then, and this time it is the flip tips 
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---yeah, I know I'm not from NW
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Fri Nov 17, 06 6:24 am |
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It's not coming back around... It's finally being done right.
All those boards posted have flat bottoms and a straight
release edge; -or should I say: ledge. That can't be too smooth
going forward. Kind of like hitting a wall. I've integrated the flip
tips with my single to double side cut concave bottom. That
transforms the release into a 3D curve which might be letting it
ventilate easier.
If a board has flip tips that does not mean that whatever
weaknesses it has are a result of the tips. Mine edges,
loads and pops great. Those are the widest tips I've
ever done and they do deliver some pop. It lets you
unhook, compress, flick the kite, set the edge and
then pop with stylish explosive authority. Even when
you're not really powered. I think that also comes
from the increased surface area. Overall the board
is only 41 wide so the rail is close enough that you
can get good leverage on it.
I really didn't design this board for waves although it has
a lot of surface area and that helps you stay on the face
better. You are projecting more area at the energy of the
wave. I'm sure the flip tips will help. They fade out well
away from the rail so they shouldn't catch in the wave.
Really though, surfboards are the only thing for waves.
My 5-7 with the quad thin fins goes upwind better than any
twintip I've made.
-Hein
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blowhard
Since 26 Dec 2005
2025 Posts
Windward
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| Fri Nov 17, 06 7:29 am well |
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I knew he'd spill the beans 
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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tsunami
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| Fri Nov 17, 06 8:22 am |
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definately not the same.... nope.....unbelievable difference ....best ever.... much bigger pop and smoothness 
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Fri Nov 17, 06 10:23 am |
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my flip tip penxa board is fairly small for an ocean board - like 130 i think. for such a small board it is good at avoiding the pearl.
but honestly that longer, wider-in-the-front, blowhard-made board that registered cast aside is better at going down the line.
one thing the flip tips help with is riding up and over the massive foamy waves rolling in at you. flip-tips aren't neccesary for this but it makes the whole process more forgiving, which is nice if the swell is big and you're a tad nervous.
with re: to surfboards/directionals - seems like the best wave rippers i see aren't riding them. (even guys who come from windsurfing and for sure can jibe). no offense it's just what i've seen. maybe some breaks set up better for directional style riding then others.
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mikes
Since 13 Mar 2005
90 Posts
B'Ham
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| Fri Nov 17, 06 7:09 pm |
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| pjc wrote: | | with re: to surfboards/directionals - seems like the best wave rippers i see aren't riding them. (even guys who come from windsurfing and for sure can jibe). no offense it's just what i've seen. maybe some breaks set up better for directional style riding then others. |
It's really a preference thing. I've been finding myself grabbing my 5'5" kite surfboard more and more this fall. When it's small kite wind and some terrain starts to form I love it. In bigger waves at West Beach (see the photo contest thread) my twintip was to much work and not forgiving, to much concentration on riding balanced, the surfboard ate it up. But others here don't see it the way I do and happily ride their twin no matter what
Mike S
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gabe
Since 16 May 2005
475 Posts
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| Sat Nov 18, 06 5:36 pm |
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surfboards are for trend following posers! only suited for slow little mushberger waves.
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Sun Nov 19, 06 4:10 pm |
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Another session today, this time on the 9m.
Even at very slow speeds, -as in transitions.
complete and clean release. This board has
almost as much low end as the Flywood.
Lots of over-the-fronts saved by the flip tips.
I'm stoked.
-Hein
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 11:57 am |
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What I've been riding in Texas:
120x44 Flywood
5-7x19 Strapless quad
5-1x18.5 Strapped quad
133x41 FlipTip
Two kites:'05 7M & 9M Fuels
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pkh
Since 27 Feb 2005
6548 Posts
Couve / Hood
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 12:26 pm |
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Here's what I have been riding lately:
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 12:48 pm |
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Sorry, Didn't mean to rub it in. 
Do you want me to shut up?
How about a picture of the flats
with a bajillion kites out. 
It's not blowing today if that helps.
so I'm couch surfing too.
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Onad
Since 04 Mar 2005
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Coast<<PDX>>Gorge
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 12:50 pm |
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I prefer a slightly higher tech version… 
| pkh wrote: | | Here's what I have been riding lately: |
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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
649 Posts
Rowena and P.C
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 12:50 pm |
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| Hein is the flywood only a light wind board if so why do you ride one that is smaller than the regular board you ride?
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 1:07 pm |
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That's the first one I made so I pushed what I thought
would work. It's a crazy little board that's just a trip
to ride in the butter. OK in chop but the 131x45 FlyWood
is better for that. Some guys are taking them out in
the gulf. In my view it is an essential Padre board.
In fact they all are:
5-7 is for cleaner waves in semi powered to powered wind
5-1 is for crazy waves in strong wind
133 FlipTip for powered freeriding
FlyWood Lightwind save your trip board
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tstansbury
Since 06 Jun 2006
649 Posts
Rowena and P.C
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 1:57 pm |
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| Hein I emailed you this but since you are on the forum maybee everyone would like to know. You originally called the swellpig a skim sufboard highbred. I was wandering if you took the fins out if it would proform like a skimboard for low wind. I was thinking that if it would I could travel with it (a 5 footer)and have the fins for waves and take them out for low wind flat water.
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gabe
Since 16 May 2005
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| Tue Nov 21, 06 4:56 pm |
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| that would be interesting to experiment with. i'm not sure you would necesarily gain much low end without the fins though, because they allow you to ride the board flat and point with the fins (like a windsurfer). it does this incredibly well. fins create drag, but so does edging hard and displacing water. The rails aren't too thick so they should edge okay. it would definitely make the board ride much different, but would be interesting to test the low end effect.
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Wed Nov 22, 06 7:17 am |
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I don't think it would ride like a true skimmer. The rails are softer. Maybe
some small fins so you can take it in the shallow butter would be fun.
I've ridden the 5-1 and 4-9 in marginal conditions but the Flywood has
better low end. It's not really that the board takes more wind to go.
Switching your feet slows you down so if you're milking it that will cost
you.
With the FlyWood you can drive up wind while bringing the kite up and
just before you stop moving, send the kite into a long sweeping downloop.
Just when the kite is coming out of the loop and heading the other way,
set the rail and take off behind it. What you are doing is taking all the
energy and momentum out yourself and the board and putting it into the
kite in the form of kite speed and altitude. Then when the kite is coming
out of the down loop you take the energy back and ride away. I call it
COM kiting as in Conservation Of Momentum.
Adding the complexity of switching your feet will make that type of low
energy loss transition pretty tricky and likely to take you downwind more.
Really, I think the 4-9 and 5-1 will the most fun strapless in big Gorge
swell and as a strapped surfboard for gnarly big wind and crazy surf.
I'm planning on doing a FlyWood wakeskate with Flip Tips when I get
back to my shop. That should provide better low end than a skimmer and
hopefully let me try some pop shuvits. Really no need for the straps when
it is really lite. Trying for sent air in lite conditions never really pays off
anyway. I rather be trying to ollie and that.
-Hein
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