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tautologies
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| K2 wrote: | | It's kind of cool. I've had it on the background while at work today and it's about alternate ways to treat cancer other than traditional radiation. I hate cancer and have lost a lot of family to it and really appreciate knowing about alternate ways to treat it. . |
Alternative cures to cancer...for sure..if it worked for Steve Jobs it'll work for us...oh wait.
The problem with "alternative" medicine is that is has NO foundation in science and scientific studies.
Sorry for the snide remark and I hate to hear you have lost a family member to it...but as crude as chemo and radiation therapy is (compared to what we will have in the future) it is the only thing we have that actually works. |
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tautologies
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 4:29 pm |
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| Nak wrote: | | tstansbury wrote: | | the goverment doing a very poor and unscientific job in diet recomendations. |
Absolutely! BMI is beyond stupid. According to the FDA I'd be at my ideal weight anywhere from 127 pounds to 169 pounds. i know I'm over weight now--and losing for the sake of my knees--but when I was running Ironman I was at 180 pounds. Anything less and I slowed down. I went down to 172 just to try it, easy to do when you're working out hard 6 hours a day. My times slowed dramatically down. My body fat was probably less than 5%. I looked gaunt as hell. And yet the FDA said I was overweight??? Hell, their 127 ideal would quite literally kill me. So no, I don't really trust the FDA to do anything right if they can't even figure out what weight a person should be.
BTW, I WILL be down to 190 for the Summer, and down to my ideal weight of 180 soon thereafter. Don't really have a choice anymore about that. |
Come on Mike, BMI, far from ideal it is not a FDA anything. It was made in around 1850 by some Belgian.
BMI is one metric, and everyone that understands it and follows it knows and should be vocal that it is made for population overall. Not extreme athletes. 
..but I am with you on losing some for the summer. |
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tautologies
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Lurk
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 5:11 pm |
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So true. With cancer one needs to find out the latest treatments. It often means traveling to different cities to get it.
Steve Jobs had a rare type of pancreatic cancer that should have killed him much sooner. I attribute his success to have the best advise, care in the world. Its out there, but you have to look for it. |
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Nak
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 6:45 pm |
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| tautologies wrote: |
Come on Mike, BMI, far from ideal it is not a FDA anything. It was made in around 1850 by some Belgian.
BMI is one metric, and everyone that understands it and follows it knows and should be vocal that it is made for population overall. Not extreme athletes.
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True, but the FDA pushes it like Gospel. BMI works for some, not for others. Joanne could gain 30 pounds and still be considered "Ideal" by BMI. In reality, she'd be technically Obese. (30 pounds overweight.) A lot of people that are way overweight are considered "Ideal". That just screws up any motivation to lose weight. BMI is a joke, nothing more. Body fat is the only realistic way to judge weight. Of course, it's not entirely accurate, but a LOT closer than BMI.
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..but I am with you on losing some for the summer. |
 10 pounds down. No stupid diet, just a balanced diet with fewer calories. A ways to go, but Summer should be good! |
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tautologies
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 8:05 pm |
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| Nak wrote: |
10 pounds down. No stupid diet, just a balanced diet with fewer calories. A ways to go, but Summer should be good! |
sounds good. I am aiming for somewhere between 15 and 20 lb down, but I cannot start until April. But yeah no eating rocks for breakfast type of diet. Just healthy limitation of calories. I am right over 200 now  damn it. |
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Nak
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 8:44 pm |
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| tautologies wrote: | | I am right over 200 now damn it. |
I'll be right over 200 in a couple of months... |
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pjc
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| Mon Jan 28, 13 9:48 pm |
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computing body density just isn't that hard. weight relative to volume. volume can be measured by water displacement.
the doc could have a hot tub with markings on the side. weigh yourself, then dunk yourself, figure out where you're at it in an intelligent way (weigh).
what they're doing now is freaking stupid. beyond stupid.
when i was "ideal" i had barely enough muscle to swing a tennis racket. now i can toss my kids around, bench press my body weight, run a couple 3 miles on the beach with my wife no prob, the doc tells me i should lose a few? stupid. no more bmi. |
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tstansbury
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 9:47 am |
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| I stop listening the second anyone says BMI and just assume they don't know what they are talking about. |
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Lurk
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Jesus people don't get so hung up on any one thing, the CDC and WHO use BMI as a screening tool only for people suspected to be OBESE. NOT Muscle bond TRIATHLETES. It is also only one measure not for use with children, does not factor in muscle. Doctors use it as a weak GUIDE for obesity.
And most obese people are not going from McDonalds straight to the gym for leg presses. BMI is cost effective, we don't have time or money to put everyone in a fricken tub for displacement measurements. Doctors use other tests for obesity as well and are aware of it's limitations. Tehy did go to school I hear...
I myself use it in the healthcare setting in a sleep lab so I can quantify the level of the obesity the patient has so I can determine if the bed will support the weight of the patient. When the patient arrives I then weigh them and often see a useful correlation.
Another case of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
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tstansbury
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 11:26 am |
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| anyone can just look at a person and get a better judge of weather they are over weight then useing the bmi. Or for that matter ask almost anyone how much they are overweight and they will tell you how many pounds they have to lose. BmI was supose to be a screening tool but that is not how it is used all the time look at all the stupid little BMI wheels that are handed out. |
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Lurk
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 11:47 am |
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The problem isn't the BMI, its that it is misused. Its a rough guide for certain type of patient. How is the part of the Tyranny of control??
Is this the BMI conspiracy?? God help us all |
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 11:59 am |
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"It's to late to lose the weight you used to need to throw around, so have gooood drown as you go down all alone, dragged down by the stone" 
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knotwindy
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I have to say it is very refreshing to see so many people with so little knowledge about something be SO SURE about it all  |
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tautologies
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 3:59 pm |
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| knotwindy wrote: | | I have to say it is very refreshing to see so many people with so little knowledge about something be SO SURE about it all |
well it is the internet after all.
I know I do not know much about this, so I yield to science, who actually does know. The problem is people that discount something because they do not understand the scientific process. |
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Moto
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 4:09 pm |
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| Lurk wrote: | | Jesus people don't get so hung up on any one thing, the CDC and WHO use BMI as a screening tool only for people suspected to be OBESE. |
Unfortunately my life insurance company uses the BMI. If I weigh in my normal weight I have to pay extra for life insurance. But if I sit in the sauna the day before and the day of the test I can get the regular life insurance rates.
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Sella
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| Tue Jan 29, 13 4:30 pm |
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| tautologies wrote: | | The problem is people that discount something because they do not understand the scientific process. |
You mean people who believe what cannot be explained is merely Gods Will?
We have cancer, guns and overdone BMI so might as well toss God into the mix...or fire...depending on how you see it to test if this thread will continue to resist the lock police. |
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