OT: Tyranny of Control, Guns, Cancer, BMI, etc.
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dangler
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 4:57 pm |
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didn't we try organic farming everywhere? i thought they called that "the middle ages".
worked good if you have enough serfs.
americans prefer the other type of surf.
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quenyaistar
Since 21 Oct 2011
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 5:11 pm |
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Food is a drug, easy to abuse, totally legal.
God has nothing to do with it, you either eat to much or you dont. Americans love to try to justify all that extra weight. That said some people can carry a little more weight and get away with it, but you will break down sooner.....knee's etc.
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Lurk
Since 04 Apr 2009
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 6:15 pm |
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If your under 10 you are totally screwed, we are parasites on earth... and due for a "culling". Do you see any Neanderthals or dinosaurs around? You think China or India are gonna slow down go green? They build a dirty coal plant every month. And Kyoto was the last chance.
All the organic farming in the middle ages must have been great, but your dead at 30... so I guess there is more to it than that huh?
Enjoy life now. Eat meat.
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registered
Since 12 Jul 2005
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 7:14 pm |
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dr lurk there is protien in the world of non meat eaters like beans and such.
Food absolutely is a cure for many things . Unfortunately in america we think it cures discomfort. Good food in a good diet with excercise is about the best health care money can buy.IMHO
Changing my diet has no doubt effected my MS something that $3000.00 a month chinese hampster ovaries and other decoy injections did not.
Hein keep us thinking
We all should read both sides of most topics to maybe think for ourself.
Man if we had better snowkiting maybe we could all get along by prolonging thought of REAL issues.
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Lurk
Since 04 Apr 2009
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 8:25 pm |
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If you are looking for HEIN to do your thinking... God help you. I NEVER said food did not matter, it is something we do every day and is the most complicated thing there is. It involves emotion, taste, family, culture, all the five senses... it really is difficult.
Beans alone won't cut it ask ANY nutritionist. A vegan diet lacks variety and requires supplements and is unhealthy IMO.
But to say meat is bad for you is not backed up by science. Do I think a whopper is good for me? Obviously not.
Show me peer reviewed science. Not Barnes and Noble BS. Not Lance Armstrong BS "I had prostrate cancer and it went to my brain, pancreas and mets to the bone.. oh but you can't see my medical record...
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ecameron
Since 29 Jul 2009
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 8:49 pm |
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Just got back home.
Just wanted some issues cited here on GMO stuff.
First we are all aware that germany, france, greece, poland, and romania all do not allow the sale of GMO seeds. Look it up, its there in black and white.
Italy and switzerland do not allow any gmo to be grown in their soil.
BASF pulled all their plant sci depts and moved them to cali from germany.
The world is changing and europe has been leading this due to it population issues.
Lurk, seriously are you going to say you and your doctor friends know more than all the researchers in duetschland....?
Eat well. By the way they're trying to help us here as well. Met with quite a few last two years
They pay for their HC so its also a numbers game for them. More health, less cost. US, less health, more profit....
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mschulz
Since 29 May 2007
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 9:13 pm |
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| ecameron wrote: |
They pay for their HC so its also a numbers game for them. More health, less cost. US, less health, more profit.... |
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pjc
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 9:18 pm |
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Not sure if "Europe does it this way" really cuts it as any sort of scientific proof, or even a positive role model in any aspect of life. Europe as we know it might not exist in a few short years.
At any rate, Euros get cancers just as much as Americans, despite going GMO free. They do live somewhat longer, although not in Eastern Europe.
GMO use is growing not falling. GMO fish is on the way. Hating on GMOs is somewhat similar to hating on vaccines in terms of science (although much more of a different strokes thing, vaccine use by adults saves babies).
I think organic farmers produce lots of yummy stuff. You'd think they'd have enough faith in the superior tastiness of their product that they could sell it without preaching the hate against other farming techniques. When I hear some local spinach grower rambling on about my daily frozen spinach smoothie is going to kill me I think "ok, you're stuff must not taste all that different, that's why you're pushing this poison theory". You'd think eating more "real" food would help all fruit+veggie growers, and the local orgo guys could be happy selling their stuff as the cadillac of food.
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Nak
Since 19 May 2005
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 10:02 pm |
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| quenyaistar wrote: |
God has nothing to do with it, |
Just a saying...
Yep, everything you wrote is true. It's just not the whole truth. Most people aren't prepared for severe life changes mentally. Why do you suppose in days gone by Pro Basketball players used to get so large after retiring? Most teams have special programs to help athletes through the transition now, but 25 years ago 90% of ex B-ball players were enormous. Why? They go from eating 12,000 calories a day to only needing 3000. They have to cut 9,000 calories a day out of their menu. That's more than three times as much as most people need in a day. Plus it's an attitude. You go from years of struggling to eat enough to keep your weight UP, to all of a sudden it's the reverse. Not as bad for me, but in 5 seconds I went from needing 7,000 calories a day to 2,500. I went from years of needing to eat every chance I got just to maintain my weight, to a place where I should have counted every calorie. If you haven't been there, you don't understand. That's my point. Everyone should be prepared in case something happens to them. Almost nobody is.
Certainly, there is no excuse for gaining weight. Eat more calories than you burn, and you gain weight. Simple. Fortunately, most people on this forum don't need to count calories. But there may come a time when you need to. And that's the rub. It's damn hard in America to do that. And expensive. For most people, eating healthy is a lot more expensive than not. We live in a culture where so much misinformation about weight, health & nutrition abound. The media and the government ram false information down our throat that completely misleads and confuses most people. Yep, the reality is simple. Eat less, exercise more. Unfortunately, that truth never finds it's way to so many people.
I knew better. I have no excuse. Most people don't know better though. yep, weight has it's price. I probably could have got another year or two out of my knee if I'd never gained the weight. A leg shattered by a speeding car pre-ordained the life of my knee though. But yeah, I never should have gained the weight. It's got it's advantages though. Like I said I've been both incredibly fit and kind of fat. I can see both sides of the story; a somewhat unique perspective. I understand things that I wouldn't have had I stayed an Ironman. I can empathize with overweight people. And I can encourage improvement. And maybe, just maybe, my story might help someone else down the road. That's why I'm writing this. Just maybe, someone on this forum who never had to worry about their weight will think of this when God, or fate or what have you, changes their life one day.
It's real simple. Calories in vs calories out. it's the truth. It's just not the whole truth. And yep, you could find yourself in a similar situation someday. So, rather than make a joke at someone's expense, or silently condemning them, how about a word of encouragement? You never know what might be the key that sets someone on a course to a better life. Pay it forward. Someday you may need a word of encouragement yourself. As for me, joke away!  I know where I've been, I know where I fucked up, and I'll be surprised if there's anybody on this forum that'll be able to keep up with me on a road bike by the end of Summer! Well, maybe by New Years to be that fast again...
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ecameron
Since 29 Jul 2009
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 10:20 pm |
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[quote="pjc"]Not sure if "Europe does it this way" really cuts it as any sort of scientific proof, or even a positive role model in any aspect of life. Europe as we know it might not exist in a few short years.
GMO use is growing not falling. GMO fish is on the way. Hating on GMOs is somewhat similar to hating on vaccines in terms of science (although much more of a different strokes thing, vaccine use by adults saves babies). g[/qoute/]
Yeah those euros and their funny hats. They never research anything scientifically. And they make horrible decisions like free secondary education. What was I thinking?
And gmo fish is such a bad idea its like leaded gas and cfc's. Bad solutions, all.
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 10:42 pm |
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i think it's safe to say gmos are banned in europe more for social/political reasons than for reasons of science.
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/19/six-french-science-academies-dismiss-study-finding-gm-corn-harmed-rats/
http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publications/biotech/20questions/en/
who said anything about funny hats? i like their hats, and their exchange students, i've skiied their mountains. they have some funny ideas (like most people do). in their case, they worry about GMOs while smoking in cafes.
i participated in just such a conversation/debate, it was fun, you can disagree about these things without insulting.
i suppose if people were living the laird hamilton super-healthy lifestyle than worrying about GMOs might make sense in a "my body is a temple" sort of way, but when you're smoking, eating fast food, drinking soda by the gallon, etc. the genetic purity of the corn that made your corn syrup is the least of your concerns.
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Occupied Columbia
Since 12 Nov 2011
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| Wed Jan 23, 13 11:16 pm |
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| Lurk wrote: | | A vegan diet lacks variety and requires supplements and is unhealthy IMO. . . |
Sorry about your situation on the cancer Lurk.
I don't have anything to gain from this. I don't belong to the vegetable council or lettuce ranchers association. I don't lobby for the tomato growers.
My wife has researched the heck out of the harm animal proteins do to the human body.
If you say you want to eat meat and dairy because you like it. I understand. I miss Bacon & Clam chowder like crazy. But, to say it's not healthy isn't fair to people who might gain extra years from a vegan diet.
But, I rarely eat the same meal twice. Supplements... Multi-vitamin, b-12, omega 3-6-9. If you chose to eat dirt you wouldn't even need to take b-12 because its an organism in soil that animals eat while foraging. But, we humans clean our vegetables too well.
And there is a lot of science backing up the health benefits of a Vegan diet.
Including an almost 100% cure for type 2 diabetes.
In conjunction with chemo, radiation and maybe even this Burzynski fellows serum. A vegan diet is not going to hinder cancer treatment. Right?
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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| Thu Jan 24, 13 7:22 am |
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Let's say freedom has a value...
similar to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
With every dollar confiscated through taxation and
by every law and regulation imposed by the government,
the level of freedom is reduced.
I'll bet we run out of freedom before we run out of atmosphere.
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bwd
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| Thu Jan 24, 13 7:48 am |
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| Quote: | Why in the world would you ever need a gun???
The cops are always there doing their jobs and guns only lead to bad things for everybody. Only reason one can possibly have one is for hunting with maybe a few rounds limit |
somebody actually said that. 
| Quote: | | Research will. That funding comes from the Government, and is our only real hope. |
faces towards washington DC five times a day, head on the carpet
| Quote: | | I'm for all rights, but some are definitely more important than others, I mean c'mon really. Ill take seed stock over blackpowder |
Sorry, easier to grow your veg than build an accurate and reliable rifle. The important rights are established.
offsets dividend income nicely doesn't it? (sorry couldn't resist).
| Quote: | | The french pay up to half their earning on food. |
actually more like half what's left after the gov. takes 60-70% in tax to feed laziness and the growing underemployed immigrant population.
| Quote: | | Global warming culling the population in 50 years, |
peak population comes in less than 50 years anyway, no culling required.
| Quote: | | Save the Earth, Kill Yourself! |
| Quote: | | didn't we try organic farming everywhere? i thought they called that "the middle ages". worked good if you have enough serfs. americans prefer the other type of surf. |
| Quote: | | Kyoto was the last chance. |
no, but it would have let developing countries keep spewing pollution while gutting industry in the west/europe.
| Quote: | | $3000.00 a month chinese hampster ovaries |
| Quote: | | The world is changing and europe has been leading this due to it population issues. |
In Europe the um, indigenous population is not reproducing and immigrants are consuming the wealth -cultural and monetary- that has taken 1000 years to build. Is that leadership? or just paying the wages of decades of liberalism?
| Quote: | | you wouldn't even need to take b-12 because its an organism in soil that animals eat while foraging. |
no but is found in some things they leave on the ground, and eat (re-eat). I prefer meat.
Funny stuff here , but really, Hein is right,
tyranny of control is real, and:
| Quote: | | you guys need some wind. |
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pjc
Since 06 Mar 2005
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| Thu Jan 24, 13 10:37 am |
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this is a fun argument.
i just had an oatmeal fruit smoothie. yummy, took 10 minutes to prepare, costs maybe a buck to fill you up. a buck and a half with 3 hits of lipton tea on the side.
you can nerd out on the localvore stuff if you want, but it's more than possible to eat cheap, healthy and easy. cheap, healthy, easy, local and organic? not possible. so i dropped the last 2.
just saying. people that say "cheap, healthy, easy, pick 2 out of 3." ... those people are lying, usually in order to sell you some extra expensive food.
im gonna have tilapia veggies prepared sous-vide for lunch, with some whole wheat toast on the side. takes another 10 minutes. costs another buck and half. this stuff doesn't have to be hard, some people like to make it hard for kicks, some people like to make it hard for bucks. i respect the former, not the latter.
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kt
Since 16 Mar 2005
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| Thu Jan 24, 13 11:18 am |
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Hey K2,
No, not mean spirited. Just going off of the right wing argument that Hein has posted in the past. In my post I say that I don't need to watch the video. Well, I was wrong and have egg on my avatar face now. I was just playing along with how these threads have flamed out and been closed in the past.
It's actually turned into a very intelligent discussion which is really nice to see.
kt
| K2 wrote: | | Dude, some of you are pretty rude on here. Are you calling me a dumbass for just writing some words in reply to an interesting video posted on a forum in my free time Campbell? KT, you are calling this person a loopy gun nut because they posted a video about cancer treatments? It seems to me like you are just mean spirited people. Don't watch this video, you might learn something about saving you or a loved one if you come down with cancer. |
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