Waroo or Warpoo?

kiteboard117 · Since 02 Mar 2005 450 Posts PDX McLovin

i have been riding turbo deisels for a bit now and i have found most of those dissadvantages are gone. there is no position anymore where i cant relaunch. it does take some patience but its still much faster than the fuels i was flying at the start of the season. all this inversion hype hasnt affected me at all and im riding what is appearently one of the most invertable kites. all it takes to relaunch after an inversion is swimming twords the kite. nothing actually happens exept the kites lines get a twist. i can invert a c kite just as easily but if it has a 5th line then i have to go in. the depower deffinitly helps in hairy situations. overall i would still say that the bow kites are safer. if you dont know how to fly them you will probably end up in the water with it in a weird positon at some point but is that as bad as getting yarded onto the beach by a kite you cant depower? i will admit its tempting to rig huge and the bridles can break. but as for c kites you have to admit if you wrap the 5th line your in for a swim plus you have quite a bit less control of the power.

broadbandito · Since 26 Apr 2005 342 Posts CSO headwaters WheatHead

Vector niner mass squared lift...leave all this analysis to the aerospace industry and address the subject at hand, dammit!

I have the w kites and like 'em just fine. But I side with my three year old and vote for Warpoo as the far superior name.

Where's the sense of humor in this sport? Wouldn't we all have more fun if we could choose the Worst Warpoo, Stinkshot Turdweasel, Craish StickerShock, Liquid Force Stool, and NSI Sleezebag?? HUGE market opportunity.

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

i'm going to geek out here so quit reading now if you not interested in that sort of thing.

with all SLE's i think the liklihood of "inverslon" or "mega-surge" or what-have-you is relative to the amount of power you are spilling from the kite. this has to do with the weight of the rider and the strength of the wind.

a bigger rider in stronger wind is stressing the system more then a smaller rider in lighter wind.

hence, a smaller rider might be able to replace a 7m C with a 9m SLE no problem (since he would never take the 7m out in crazy wind in the first place. his crazy wind kite would be a 5m C, and he is not swapping that for a 9m SLE).

a bigger rider would take a 7m out when it is almost smoke. for him, using a 9m SLE in those conditions would not be so hot.

this is all just a really complicated way of saying these kites have might have an upper limit independent of the riders weight. don't take the 9m SLE past 35 knots no matter what you weigh.

this is all one mans humble opinion.

Sol-flyer · Fri Jun 30, 06 3:49 pm

J.P. · Since 10 Mar 2005 638 Posts Addicted

J.P. · Since 10 Mar 2005 638 Posts Addicted

waroo's in waves are like...

being a cop in a lambo Very Happy

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6548 Posts Couve / Hood Site Lackey

I borrowed a 14m Waroo yesterday (thanks Dwayne!) and it was very nice. I could ride really fast in light wind and boost and everything. My one complaint is when the wind started to pick up and I depowered it a lot, the kite got a little wobbly, mostly I felt it through the bar. I have felt this on other big kites, and all it really takes is putting your hands out further on the bar to compensate. Or just switch to a smaller kite, by that time I am pretty sure I could have rode 9m Waroo powered.

The trick of getting the most out of the 14 (as with the other Waroo's) seems to be to ride really fast and keep the bar pulled in. If you are riding slow and depowering it often, then you won't be getting most of the performance.

Also Dwayne had it pumped up rock hard, which I think helps quite a bit. I never saw the canopy or trailing edge flutter or anything when I had the kite powered.

Jumps were surprisingly fun because with the 55cm bar he had on there I could easily do downloop transitions. The kite would complete the downloop before I hit the water, which is rare for my 13m C kite. All the jumps felt nice and floaty.

Anyway, I still think my next Waroo will be a 9m, but the bigger Waroo's are starting to feel pretty good as well. Very Happy

blowhard · Since 26 Dec 2005 2025 Posts Windward

the 14 warhoop doesn't quite have the lowend I would have liked to see P.J.C was on his hooper 14 yesterday and I was on my 16 X-4 and he was walkin,good to see the old beater (comeplety bagged out) has a purpose as I didn't order big hoopers

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1313 Posts Possessed

When you pump a kite up really hard, the struts and leading edge grow which makes the canopy tighter. I just keep pumping my 05 slingys harder and harder. I'm getting close to it sounding like a basketball.

Flys nice that way too.

-Hein

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

the 9 and the 7 are no-brainers for sure. if you're flying C in those sizes you're missing out. (IMHO)

the 14m works ok for me but it does not have the silly low end for it's size like the 7m. the range on the 7m is absurd.

but perhaps with a better board i would have done better. i was riding a pretty small board yesterday. if you look at thurs graph i had plenty of juice then.

and really, when it below 15 knots you're just getting some fresh air and exercie. it is not going to stick in your mind like racing 10,000 mph on the 7 in 30+ knots.

pdxmonkeyboy · Mon Jul 03, 06 2:21 pm

we tied another knot on the rear pigtail and that helped with the flapping and gave it more power. It was on the light side for a 14 at sauvie yesterday but still, it was pretty soft.

The real bugger is the relaunch. I'm sure the smaller waroos are re-launching fine but the 14 takes ALLOT of work to get it out of the water. It has t be the briddle set-up. When the kite is on its back and you pull the rear line, the kite doesn't "cup" the wind and pull itself up. The only way I could get it out of the water was pulling one rear line (quite a bit) and then yarding on the inside line of the opposite side and holding them as far apart as my arms could muster. I felt like I puppateer.

The briddle looks good and the pulleys are free but it just doesn't want to pull itself up.

PJC, how does your 14 relaunch?

My buddy has 12 more days to decide if he wants to keep the kite or not.....

tstansbury · Since 06 Jun 2006 649 Posts Rowena and P.C Addicted

I love the w 9 and the 14 seems good. Infact I am thinking about selling my machine 17.5 and my 06 13 fuel. the 2 waroos seem to cover this(with a glide and surfboard for low wind). I have not relaunched them much the best web site has lots on this topic though it seems that pushing the bar out helps.

pjc · Since 06 Mar 2005 649 Posts Addicted

pdx - i only crashed it once. it came up fine but it was not the full "upside down dead downwind" sort of crash. and i could touch ground.

(i think ocean riding does not involve crashes/relaunches like flat water riding)

has your friend tried his with a lightwind specialist type board (skim/glide/etc.)?

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6548 Posts Couve / Hood Site Lackey

Ideally you'd pull the side line before the kite is completely flipped over. Its similar to how you want to relaunch 5th line kites.

The smaller Waroo's relaunch just by pulling a side line and leaving the bar pushed out from you. The bigger ones you need to relaunch more like a traditional kite (by swimming at the kite and getting it to flip on its back.) Again, just never let the kite flip completely on its back before you start pulling on a side line and you will be good. If the kite flips on its back and is stuck, then you have to swim to the side and keep pulling on a side line.

One thing that helps in almost any relaunch scenario (C kite or flat kite alike) is pulling the depower strap all the way. Do this if you have been stuck in the water for awhile struggling, you might have a better result.

On the soft power - you might need to ride faster, its not a grunty kite. Ride fast and you will be rewarded with lots of useable power.

Kodiak · Since 01 Aug 2005 1114 Posts Slidey

Well, after my first weekend on the Waroo's I am totally sold on them. I have ridden both the 12 and 9 meters and both of them fly great. The relaunch is not as super smooth as say a crossbow or turbo diesel, but that is the only thing negative I could say. I have ridden a few different types of bow kites (rapture2, turbo diesel, waroo) and of the 3 I liked the waroo the best.

When it's fairly windy they relaunch fine, but like Phil said if the wind is really light, try to relaunch them more like a traditional C kite by swimming at the kite, and rolling it on its back. Did a couple of downwinders from Viento to the spit yesterday on the 12 and today on the 9, and had a total blast. Big (for me Smile

) lofty jumps, and plenty of depower to ride the swell.

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