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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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 Mon May 21, 07 12:19 pm How many Rhinos does it take? |
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| How many 07 Rhinos do you need to have a complete quiver. Would three Rhinos be enough to be able to kite on nuclear days in the gorge and light winds out at Sauvies Island? Or would four be the right number of kites? Specifically, it would be for a 180 pound guy. |
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jack
Since 12 Mar 2006
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| Mon May 21, 07 12:31 pm |
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start with 2...
10 works extremely well in almost all conditions. have not tried anything above 10, but it is close to a 1 kite quiver. no problems whatsoever up to 30, looking forward to using it in more. 210 lbs and have yet to depower it using the cleat. i would probably ride it with gusts up to 40. not sure on the larger sizes, but the 10 does a pretty good job in light winds as well. maybe a 10/14 or a 9/14. i doubt you would need a 7.... |
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JR
Since 21 Aug 2006
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Hood River
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| Mon May 21, 07 4:07 pm only 2 |
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| I agree with Jack about the two kite quiver. I'm lighter than you and have a 7/10 quiver. You might consider 7 and 10 or 9 and 12. |
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tinyE
Since 21 Jan 2006
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| Mon May 21, 07 4:30 pm |
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i don't know much about north, but i'm surprised they have a 9 and a 10. it seems like with the SLE, you don't need every size... am i totally confused?
I've seen the 9 work magic on windy and non-windy days though. |
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shredjim
Since 07 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 22, 07 12:33 am |
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| In your size - 180 lbs - it is still an easy call. 7m & 10m Rhino, 14m Vegas. The 7m Rhino has an amazing amount of pull so on the nuke days when the wind backs off a bit, you will still be ok when most guys are on 9's and 10's. You will use the 10m 85% of the time as it is the ultimate kite size these days. Over 12m go C shape, ie the Vegas 14. Better for the coast and in the gorge when the wind is ramping up or ramping down. Self launching the Vegas has more options than hybrids. I've found that folding the wingtips over on North hybrids is difficult if you have enough pressure in the leading edge bladder. No problem with the Vegas, but it also can do the pivot self launch easily. |
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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| Tue May 22, 07 4:39 am |
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| Quote: | | I've found that folding the wingtips over on North hybrids is difficult if you have enough pressure in the leading edge bladder. |
But is it impossible? I own several 07 Rebels, and have yet to figure out how to self launch. A friend has resorted to only drift launches. |
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magicmaker
Since 29 Oct 2006
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| Tue May 22, 07 5:37 am |
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| shredjim wrote: | | In your size - 180 lbs - it is still an easy call. 7m & 10m Rhino, 14m Vegas. The 7m Rhino has an amazing amount of pull so on the nuke days when the wind backs off a bit, you will still be ok when most guys are on 9's and 10's. |
or 11m  maybe the 13m  if i think the wind is gonna drop.... ok probably not the 13m 
wylie- i have found a nifty way to self launch my fuels on nuking days when it is too windy to hot launch. What i do is rig the kite then turn the kite with leading edge on the ground. pull in the fifth line system so it puts the trailing edge closer to the ground, then i just walk over to one side of my kite while it sits in place, once i get over to the edge, you can safely launch the kite. i'd think you'd be able to do this with the 07 rhinos and rebels cause they got the 5th element system, but mebbe not. is this the pivot self launch you're talking about jim? |
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JR
Since 21 Aug 2006
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Hood River
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| Tue May 22, 07 6:23 am |
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| I've had about a 90% success rate launching the rebel in the normal fashion except instead of folding the wingtip over, putting the sand inside of the wingtip (no fold). The key is to get the right amount of sand--just enough to hold it in place but not too much or the kite will not budge. |
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shredjim
Since 07 Jun 2006
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| Tue May 22, 07 8:41 am |
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| wylieflyote wrote: | | Quote: | | I've found that folding the wingtips over on North hybrids is difficult if you have enough pressure in the leading edge bladder. |
But is it impossible? I own several 07 Rebels, and have yet to figure out how to self launch. A friend has resorted to only drift launches. |
Ken Winner showed me how to do the pivot self launch last summer. Rig your lines directly downwind of the kite. Then figure out which side you want the kite to slide a bit, hook into your setup and walk in the opposite direction to the edge of the wind window keeping tension on the lines. Once the kite gets some air in it, it will slide on the sand a bit and then one wingtip will go up and you can launch it just like if you are in the water. Make sure the sand is smooth and clean though, it is not a good move where there is a lot of broken sea shells etc. It will work great on our recently buff clean sandbar  |
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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Still a gojo pimp!
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| Wed May 23, 07 3:49 pm |
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| shredjim wrote: | | In your size - 180 lbs - it is still an easy call. 7m & 10m Rhino, 14m Vegas. |
I have heard this before, but why would you want to go with a C kite for low winds. Wouldn't you want a higher aspect kite for low winds - to help give you as much pull as possible? |
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shredjim
Since 07 Jun 2006
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| Wed May 23, 07 4:31 pm |
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| terremoto wrote: | | shredjim wrote: | | In your size - 180 lbs - it is still an easy call. 7m & 10m Rhino, 14m Vegas. |
I have heard this before, but why would you want to go with a C kite for low winds. Wouldn't you want a higher aspect kite for low winds - to help give you as much pull as possible? |
This is my opinion so take it for what it is worth. It seems that in the larger sizes the C shapes perform better. Most kite designers agree that flat kites kick a$$$ in sizes 7 - 12. Larger sizes still need more development time to get them to perform as well as the smaller ones. I found that to be true last summer when I got to ride the larger North prototypes. It seemed as though the Vegas turns faster in the 14 and 16 sizes. I love the Vegas 14, a great all around kite especially in waves. Throw in having only 5 ribs instead of 8 like the Rhino, and with the two pump system (not on the Rebel) the Vegas in bigger sizes is a great kite! At 165 lbs I have found I need a 14 at the North Oregon Coast fairly often. |
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