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Windian
Since 28 Apr 2008
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Newport, OR
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Tue Aug 22, 17 12:36 pm Bladder Seam Fix |
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So I had a bladder seam go bad in my kite the other day and decided to try to fix it myself. Tried using some marine goop and it would not adhere and the air pressure would blow right thru the dried adhesive, thus gave up on that idea. Looked on the internet at new bladders and it was going to cost me $30 for the smallest wing tip strut bladder for my 7m and that didn't include the shipping which was probably going to be another $10. I then had the epiphany that the seams are welded and I own a Seal Meal that I use for storing fish and other foods, so what the hell I will give it a try as I was about ready to spend the dollars on a new bladder.
In about 10 seconds the fix was done with a new welded seam and have been testing it with solid air pressure along with smacking it around and squeezing the bladder repeatedly. Seems to be holding just fine and am going to give it a go in my kite for the real test, but I think it will work. Just wanted to share my find with the rest of the tribe as it could save you both dollars and time to fix blown out seams in bladders.
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Pete
Since 29 Oct 2007
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Tue Aug 22, 17 2:02 pm ! |
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Great idea!
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west
Since 09 Oct 2008
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Lake Michigan
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Tue Aug 22, 17 3:49 pm |
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Seam seal definitely works....iron with wax paper, and a little trial and error will get you there too...always good to remember that if a seam on one of the bladders is leaking or blown that others may b comin around the mountain as well, beware!
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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Tue Aug 22, 17 6:01 pm seams |
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been using a seal a meal for years! when it gave up the ghost I bought an impulse sealer on Amazon for $30. works way better.
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blancoh2o
Since 15 Mar 2005
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Oregon
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Tue Aug 22, 17 6:53 pm |
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Make sure that the repaired bladder completely fills the pocket from end to end. If it is too short, it will blow out.
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pollywog
Since 07 Aug 2009
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Tue Aug 22, 17 7:42 pm |
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mother necessity! That's a great idea! Love it.
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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Puget Sound & Wa. Coast
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Wed Aug 23, 17 10:09 am |
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Dang! I wish I had turn on the internet befire shelling out for a new bladder. I travel to rural Mexico where I'd be 5 months without a kite if something gives out. Will carry an iron and wax paper next.
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craz z
Since 01 Dec 2008
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Montana
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Wed Aug 23, 17 11:01 am |
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Is there a temp setting or correct heating method for the Iron method? and timing?
I tried several times. Thought i had it then got to much time under the iron and melted the bladder. Once i shrunk it too much I gave up.
I feel like the impulse sealer is the best option available. Again is there a time and heat setting that is perfect for seam repair or are they automatic?
All the videos i watched prior to trying the iron method never gave a straight answer just don't get too hot and don't keep it on there very long which is very difficult for a amateur kite fixer that has no clue what they are doing.
I really thought i had it and i think some pinholes showed up down the seam made another attempt and trashed it. Time and temp are the keys to making this work.
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dangler
Since 26 Feb 2006
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Wed Aug 23, 17 11:26 am sealer |
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impulse sealer is the way to go. really cheap. they have a knob for timer, it only takes a second. it shuts off, then wait a few secs and it cools, open (lift) and viola.
only works on newer bladders. don't even bother with your old 2008 10 meter Rev. , that requires tear aid or contact cement and spare bladder material.
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Ho-Toe
Since 30 Apr 2014
231 Posts
pissed-off science guy like Bill Nye
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Wed Aug 23, 17 11:26 am Revlon solution |
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For those who do not own or do not wish to drop the money to buy a vacuum sealer, I have had good luck sealing poly bag material (same material as a bladder, different application) using a $10-15 hair-straightening iron from the health & beauty aisle of your favorite big box store. Get one with an adjustable heat setting...
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craz z
Since 01 Dec 2008
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Montana
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Wed Aug 23, 17 11:56 am |
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Quote: | impulse sealer is the way to go. really cheap. they have a knob for timer, it only takes a second. it shuts off, then wait a few secs and it cools, open (lift) and viola. |
So the knob is for timing and the heat is predetermined in the unit? Certainly would take the guesswork out of it.
Can you do long seams or perhaps build a bladder with one and can you overlap your seals if doing a longer repair? just curious doubt i'll ever try.
Quote: | I have had good luck sealing poly bag material (same material as a bladder, different application) using a $10-15 hair-straightening iron from the health & beauty aisle of your favorite big box store. Get one with an adjustable heat setting... |
Whats the magic heat setting? Have you tried it out on a bladder?
I attempted on a epic bladder from circa 2011 or 2012 it wasn't clear like todays bladders but more of the dull opaqueish color type bladder material Maybe it wasn't the right kind.
30$ for a good solution is a steal for this type of repair which isn't super common but have come across a couple over the years.
like west said where there is one issue another is coming shortly sometimes a new bladder is best but if your out there with no access to repair parts any trick to save a session is worth it.
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