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Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

Dano wrote:

Mark · Mon Oct 24, 05 10:07 am

Hein,
I am interested in getting a board that is set up for the 200-210 lb range. Are u making boards using your new tech for us big tall guys?

kt · Since 16 Mar 2005 761 Posts Portland, Or Opinionated

hein,

i see a 135x41 on your site, is this your light wind board? same concave concept?

kt

Onad · Mon Oct 24, 05 4:33 pm

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

The 135x41 is a bigger board for me. I'm going to SoTX (when the
wind starts) and need a bigger board to ride with my 13. I had a
lot of success on a prototype 129x41 single to double concave when I
was there in early summer (mostly on a 13).

Another reason I'm going to a bigger board is that I'm getting so much
pop from my boards that I'm having trouble landing and heard that many
of the top wake style boys are riding mid 130 size boards for this reason.
It's a bit thicker through the mid section too. It has plenty of rocker
but that doesn't seem to be detrimental to the light wind performance.
Maybe it's those smooth flowing C2 continous surfaces I use. And the low
drag Thin Fins of course. Stance is wide and set up for my plates or bindings.

The 135x41 probably would be a good board for guys 180 - 200+
here in the Gorge. I'll have few available for demo soon. And my
plates will be available in large and X-large for those big feet.

Single to double concave does much better in surf and seems to catch
less. I've found that setting the fins a bit in towards the centerline helps
too. The V formed by the double concave really helps rail to rail plus
helps split chop to keep the nose from catching.

-Hein

barfly · Since 31 Mar 2005 1214 Posts Portland BRACKISH

[quote]my design work[/quote]

Jimmy Lewis has had a modified single concave for several years now. Rode a Dominatrix two seasons ago, it's a great board with many of the same qualities. This sold me. Also tried some NSI buzz boxes two years ago with the same single concave, still have it and for a 115cm it can hookup on the waves because of the shape (also Jimmy's). The concept has been around for some time now. Jimmy really deserves the creds.

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

Barfly - did the Jimmy have the detuned edges like the Hein? Where board actually isn't flat or concave at the edge but actually bent up? (Hard to explain but if you look at Hein's photo's you will know what I mean.)

If its true that others are moving towards this design then I'd be no surprise to me as its really amazing to ride a Hein board in comprarison to a standard concave board. The bottom shape of Hein's boards make edging and balancing on the board so much easier. Instead of all of the load being on the very edge of the board, its a bit more distributed and feels like its right under your feet. The result is stronger edging and a more balanced feel, making it easier to ride fast even in heavy chop.

Interesting if it is on the SS06 Hmmm... Doyle and Hein both go down to SPI every year, did he getcha drunk one night and pump you for info Hein? Very Happy

barfly · Since 31 Mar 2005 1214 Posts Portland BRACKISH

[quote="pkh"]Barfly - did the Jimmy have the detuned edges like the Hein? Where board actually isn't flat or concave at the edge but actually bent up? (Hard to explain but if you look at Hein's photo's you will know what I mean.)

quote]

Yes, if you mean: the concave stops about 2-1/2 to 3" from the rail. As opposed to a full concave going rail to rail. It is a sweet feel and distictly different from a full concave or a flat board. Very nice stuff. Great design.

Hein · Since 08 Mar 2005 1314 Posts Possessed

I 3D modeled the Dominatrix bottom for the NSI Buzz/Dash/Dart
so I am very famiiliar with it. The boundary of the concave runs
parallel to the rail and the panel along the rail is flat.

On my Side Cut Concave bottom design the concave is narrower
in the the middle of the board and gets wider at the tips. That's
opposite of what Dominatrix concave does. The boundary of the
concave forms a soft chine that curves opposite of the rail. - hence
the name: Side Cut Concave. In addition, the panels outside
the concave are Vee'd. JL's boards do not have that feature.

I did not come up with concave but my application of it is unique
and it is easily identifiable in the new SS boards. (As is the exposed
wood cap construction which I introduced last summer.) I also know
that the Glide evolved from a plyboard design developed by an avid
kiteboarder in South Padre.

I guess I'm flattered that Doyle has choosen to borrow my last
season's bottom shape. I have since progressed to the
Single to Double Side Cut Concave which offers yet another
level of performance.

And then there's my Thin Fins: Less Drag, Less Weight, Un-inhibited
board flex, and no more lost fins due to loose screws.

-Hein

Onad · Wed Oct 26, 05 7:18 am

Hein, good info on board concave-ness... Mr. Green

Can you please elaborate on 'Rocker' and how it affects performance (i.e. carving, wave slashing, jumping, upwind ability, etc.)

Tx, Dano

PS Hurry up and get that 135 x 41 on my feet so I can feel the difference, just have to have it and buy one on the spot...

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6549 Posts Couve / Hood Honored Founder

[quote="barfly"]

tonski · Since 11 Jun 2005 332 Posts NW Portland Obsessed

Absolutely, ditto to PKH's post. The Hein boards have some upwind magic in light winds. Also, the JL boards seem to be much stiffer by design, which some riders probably prefer (white truck boys in So. Ore.).

J.P. · Since 10 Mar 2005 638 Posts Addicted

kt · Since 16 Mar 2005 761 Posts Portland, Or Opinionated

in the new SBC kiteboard magazine, they have a shot of hadlow doing a trick where the bottom of his board is shown. the way the sun hits the board, you can see a single to double concave like hein builds. the caption says something about 'maybe the bottom shape is why he is so good'.

just an observation.

kt

barfly · Since 31 Mar 2005 1214 Posts Portland BRACKISH

So I guess everyone "steals" and modifies. Didn't the Bonzer already play with the single to double concave in the 70's?

Ben · Since 28 Jun 2005 43 Posts Hood River

"On my Side Cut Concave bottom design the concave is narrower
in the the middle of the board and gets wider at the tips"

Isn't your claim that SS i.e. Doyle copied your above design? Doyle's concave is not like that, Doyle's concave is the same width form tip to tip, no curve. In fact I think yours came from those pesky surfers.

"I also know that the Glide evolved from a plyboard design developed by a avid
kiteboarder in South Padre. Apparently R&D means Rip off and Duplicate at SS."

Yes the Glide was inspired by plywood technologies. You have to get inspiration from somewhere. The first wheel was stone,dude, you should check out my new granite Michelins way better than that rubber crap.

Give it a rest Hein, you don't see Jimmy Lewis, John Admuson or Doyle out there tooting there own horns about how superior their own board designs are. Their customers do that for them. Just be stoked that you have some good designs, for the small to medium crowd, let them speak for themselves. Quit spreading the B.S. Ride and have fun.

Seems to me, if I remember correctly, that Doyle and Slingshot are who got you started in the game of kiteboarding. Maybe you should thank them, rather than talking crap.

Ben