Hey, What's up with the slider?

registered · Since 12 Jul 2005 1319 Posts tsunami Sandbagger

IT HASN'T HIT THE WATER YET AND ITS GETTING RAINED ON HERE ON THE FORUM. I would dump it at night and claim no responsibility. You never know it may float away Laughing

permits with the treated lumber may be a issue for sure. rediculous.

I would keep my C.C.B # out of any construction pics. last thing any one needs a claim against or anything. Defacing those poor salmon's habitat.

Twisted Evil

Damn that debris that floated down the river sure seems like it could make a good slider. way to recycle you guys. Wink

tekko · Since 20 Feb 2006 376 Posts White Salmon Liquid Force

Sounds like if the PT lumber is sealed, it can be used? Did I miss something? Also, this thing floats... so the wood would actually be above the waterline.

I say seal it with approved method, treat it as recreational watersports gear. Ie-
-Stand up paddle barge- you know for cross training. Or put a mastrack in between the trex and make it a lightwind windsurfer.

or put a sail on it and register it as a homemade saliboat... have seen those moored at the sandbar in the summer.

Many options.

With all the shit in the river from barges, trains, boats, cars, trucks, tourists, fisherman,q kiteboarders, etc, etc, I don't think this is really bad for the water on the grand scale... and I think all involved are willing to do whatever it right to make it as environmental as possible.

Pepi · Tue Jun 12, 07 10:56 pm

As previously mentioned in another thread.
The permit will be a necessary fact of life.

Sherrif Mike did raise the question at 2 seperate Sandbar meetings regarding manmade craft located on the Columbia River or on the sandbar vicinity. He stated that as long as the manmade craft possessed a valid permit issued from the DSL(Dept of State Lands) he would leave them alone, but if it did not have a valid permit from DSL, he will be forced to remove it as soon as possible.

When asked about the kicker that was left last year, he commented that he let it slide temporarily (and even saved it from floating away once), but this year he would not be able to overlook any similar situations. As a result of all the hype around the Sandbar he likely was going to have to be extra cautious about any similar floating craft.

We've been given fair notice of the requirements needed to make it legit and also of the actions that the sheriff has to take if proper legal actions are not taken.

I'm not trying to rain on the parade, just trying to make sure that whomever has financially and physically invested in this project does not see it get removed and destroyed without any fighting chance.

Pepi

shredjim · Since 07 Jun 2006 186 Posts Stoked

I was at the meeting where our cool sheriff Mike said the things Pepi posted. He is very supportive of productive kiteboarding activities, but he has to do his job. Talk to Mike or get the permit from DSL, they are friendly reasonable people. I just got the next "right of entry" permit from DSL in the mail today for our June 23rd sandbar cleanup. PM me if you guys need help getting the approvals/permits.

TWIN-FIN · Since 24 May 2006 805 Posts Portland, OR Hot Monkey

I think the simple way to get around the treated wood issue would be to remove any treated wood (rails/supports) and replace them with an alternative/composite material such as Trex.

(According to the manufacturer, Trex is made primarily from hardwood sawdust and recycled polyethylene plastic grocery sacks and plastic wrap.

Engineered lumber products have developed rapidly over the past few decades to the point that, in some ways, they are superior to wood. Engineered lumber is more moisture resistant and thus more stable. It expands and contracts less with changes in humidity and temperature and does not warp or twist).

When we went to the OBX last year I noticed that Real was using this type of material on thier sliders and water side decking. It totally makes sense, no harm to the enviroment and wont degrade, warp, splinter, and its a plastic base material (i.e. better as a slider).

If you launch the slider with the treated wood, its just a matter of time before "The Man" confiscates it. Why not do it right the first time and avoid all of the bull sh#@ that would follow with a deck that does not comply with state regs?

forrest · Wed Jun 13, 07 10:50 am

It will have Trex as the sliding surface. I read it the same way as Tekko. We can just seal the wood.

BTW, it's not a slider it's a stage for performance arts and photography.

Inept_Fun · Since 14 Apr 2005 1417 Posts Hood River XTreme Poster

yeah good idea we will just take the thing apart and spend even more money to rebuild it with recycled material. In my opinion you all need to stop worrying about this and let the people putting all the time, and effort into building it, worry about it. You telling us that we cant get a permit because of treated wood really doesnt do sh*** for us. So unless one of you wants to help us try and get a permit, you should just close your mouths, unless asked to open them.

forrest · Thu Jun 14, 07 9:41 am

Wow, dude, calm down! Jim just said to PM him for help.

pdxmonkeyboy · Thu Jun 14, 07 10:00 am

PLACE THE CORDLESS DRILL ON THE GROUND AND BACK AWAY SLOWLY!!

We are not trying to piss on your parade or discourage you from putting a slider in the river. I would love to see a slider or cool kicker down there.

BUT, you must understand that this issue is a little bit bigger than the wants and needs of your friends and it is exactly why there are soo many rules about what can and can't be done in the river. I mean, what do you think the river would look like if everyone and anyone could build, place, drop or tie off anything they pleased in the water?? It would look like the beverly hillbillies is what it would look like.

You need permits for this kind of thing because it has the potential to do damage to the environment. I'm sorry that the fact that treated wood is hella toxic "doesn't do shit for you". If you think for a second that DEQ and all the other stakeholders took the time to write, review, and establish restrictions on treated wood just for the hell of it, your way way wrong.

I'm sorry that it is such a difficult process, I really am. the law wasn't written to regulate "sliders" but rather industrial, commercial, and substantial private projects. Everyone wants the salmon to come back and the rivers to be clean...until it effects them.

stringy · Since 23 Jun 2006 1726 Posts vancouver XTreme Poster

pdxmonkeyboy · Thu Jun 14, 07 10:14 am

Stringy,
nice post. I was also only trying to be helpfull in myown little sarcastic and self absorbed way.

The big thing with PT is abrasion. I would contact Jim since he is already working with DSL. Relationships are half the battle in the permit game.

You have to stress that it is temporary and that the PT wood will not be exposed to friction or other forces that would cause it to chip, crack or peel. You will probably want to show how it is going to be anchored, a simple deadman in the sand would likely work.

Cross your fingers and hope for the best.

Next time build it out of aluminum. stronger, lighter, probably cheaper these days, doesn't float, and non toxic.

Smile

EdG · Since 19 Dec 2005 424 Posts Just a Kook that's Obsessed

I would be very hard to launch it on the sly with all the talk about it on a forum Wink

I hope all goes well. I can't wait to photograph you guys on it since I don't have the balls to hit it Shocked

pkh · Since 27 Feb 2005 6548 Posts Couve / Hood Site Lackey

I think there's a polite/helpful way to go about making suggestions and a piss on the parade way. Please be considerate of the folks that are putting money and sweat equity into this project. You can use PM's and emails, everything doesn't need to be on the public forum.