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Comparing slider rope setups

 
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shred_da_gorge

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PostMon Apr 04, 22 8:10 am    Comparing slider rope setups Reply with quote

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Wind Slither wrote:

I had this happen once on a very gusty day, but for the last many years I go with a slider rope with 2 rings vs. a hook so there's no chance of an unintended release.

Anyone want to share pics of using a double-ring setup, or other 'failsafe' approach to using a slider versus chicken loop? I'm using an older north bar with their slider attachment but am concerned about accidental release. I started looking at newer North and Cabrinha bars with the easier re-attach designs, but $$$.

Also I find self-launching a hassle with my slider setup, so any ideas on that are appreciated.

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PostMon Apr 04, 22 10:02 am     Reply with quote

Double ring unnecessary. I picked up this ring on the advice of another slider thread. It works great. https://smcgear.com/rigging-ring.html

It was annoying to install because I had to remove the padding to get access to the dynema slider rope. But it has not been a huge issue and I have not bothered to glue it back on.

As for self-launch with such a setup, I have not done it yet but what I learned was to use an extra leash, clip one end to the fixed object, then clip the kite/bar end to the safety rope just above the chicken loop. In the attached picture, clip the leash to the line where the guy’s hand is holding. Then you can manipulate the chicken loop onto your slider while the kite is secure. Once the chicken loop is reset, release the self-launch leash.


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PostMon Apr 04, 22 12:14 pm     Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing, that's a great point - I could probably use a sturdy carabiner to hold above the loop assembly while fastening the slider below. Probably not something you'd want to keep the kite on for long, but good quality hardware from a reputable rigging supplier (like maybe their Force Series) should be sufficient.

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PostMon Apr 04, 22 2:16 pm     Reply with quote

And keep the carabiner on the back of your harness as well. If you have to release and want to reassemble to get back in, it can be crazy difficult to get the chicken loop onto the slider underwater while being thrashed about. With the extra carabiner you can assemble the loop where you can see/control it and then clip the carabiner to the loop & slider much easier. Yes, it moves the bar a bit further away but it gets you home.
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PostMon Apr 04, 22 2:42 pm     Reply with quote

I just keep an extra leash on my harness as it can potentially be used to launch/land and also used for securing or dragging a board when I need some extra time.

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PostMon Apr 04, 22 3:37 pm     Reply with quote

One thing I forgot to mention if you use a carabiner, but obviously it needs to be small enough so that the QR assembly cannot possibly pull through it or potentially bye-bye kite!

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PostTue Apr 05, 22 5:46 am     Reply with quote

IWantToFly wrote:
Double ring unnecessary.


I just scored a couple stainless steel rings down at England. I use them with 2 spectra lines vs. the wider slider strap you have. I have to replace the lines every season or 2 so the double rings helps cut down the wear.

But your ring looks pretty small diameter. I assume you've tested an emergency release and making sure that chicken loop can fly out of that ring under load?

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PostTue Apr 05, 22 8:00 am     Reply with quote

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PostTue Apr 05, 22 8:03 am     Reply with quote

[quote="IWantToFly"]
Wind Slither wrote:
IWantToFly wrote:
Double ring unnecessary.

But your ring looks pretty small diameter. I assume you've tested an emergency release and making sure that chicken loop can fly out of that ring under load?

I have not used in an actual emergency, but I’ve tested under load as much as possible on the beach and it releases easily. FWIW I use a short chicken loop.

Edit: if you want to compare, the ID is 1.1”.

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PostTue Apr 05, 22 8:56 am     Reply with quote

More helpful info here, thanks! I do hang an extra kite leash off my harness to secure my board in case of need, but hadn't considered carrying a carabiner for use in the water. Instead, I opted to thrash about frustratingly until the chicken loop was yarded from my hand in a hot launch, nearly degloving me... Embarassed

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PostThu Apr 07, 22 9:35 am     Reply with quote

After my original slider rope snapped on me during a session last season, I bought my own spectra and rigged up my harness with a failsafe to hopefully prevent a sketchy situation.

Unfortunately this stainless steel ring causes some abrasion. I learned about the aluminum SMC rings after doing this, so that's going on next time I restring this. I've also heard that splicing spectra to double it up makes it exponentially stronger, so I plan on doing that next go around, too.

Considering the control bar is where all the safety mechanisms are, I highly recommend investing in an updated bar with an easy and dependable quick release that you can redo with your eyes closed. It could save your life!


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PostThu Apr 07, 22 4:56 pm     Reply with quote

Good idea! I'll see if I could do this with the reinforced holes on my Ride Engine slider, as it looks like they might be too small for two lines to fit through.

Agree on updating the bar and will keep shopping, although my budget was just blown on a new foil and wing. :darkside 2.0:

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PostFri Apr 08, 22 7:24 am     Reply with quote

And so it goes! That's an exciting new purchase for sure.

It wasn't easy to fit two lines of spectra in there, but worth it for the peace of mind!

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PostSat Apr 09, 22 7:38 am     Reply with quote

I have a slightly different set-up these days. If I was just going to ride waves or foil I would be using the slider rope as I did before but
I also like to jump and ride powered up and the slider just doesn’t work as well for those. So I found a happy medium. First I started with a shorter rope and that helped with being powered toeside and the slipping while setting up for the send on the jumps. But the I went to a bar with a simple bend in the middle where the hook was removed from it. Chicken loop just goes around the bar so very little point loading and wear. Makes toe-side very comfortable with very little torque. Same with jumping. Also, as the chicken loop doesn’t move as far to the side I get better depower toeside which is when I need it more than heelside as I can hold much more power heelside. Also, brings the bar closer so more depower throw as well & more consistent pull. And no rope to keep track of/wear out.



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