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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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Matt,
Due to your comment this morning I did a search for the Perkins Creek Campground which is another nearby option for Clats.
http://www.rvoutdooradventures.com/
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stringy
Since 23 Jun 2006
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| Fri Jun 01, 18 7:03 am |
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regardless of the river level, jones beach seems to be one of the few beaches really impacted by high waters. still plenty of room to launch and land. keep in mind with high water comes floating debris and jones has plenty. wind can be lighter at the launch than on the other side of the river so keep this in mind if you plan on exploring the ponds.
for camping there's perkins creek campgrounds not too far out of town. I'm sure they are still open.
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undertow
Since 15 Feb 2008
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| Fri Jun 01, 18 11:05 am |
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I'm one of Nate's instructors at Air Pirates and for the past 4 years have basically lived at the park during the summer months. When Steve and Karen were the hosts the park was a great place to stay, they were always there and interacting with the people staying there. Last years hosts were never there, so homeless people and people in the zombie RVs started to cause trouble and not pay the fees. The county police were called many times for homeless people harassing locals using the park. Since they got rid of the Clatskanie Police and only the county police are patrolling the area there was less presence. I think the city does not want to be responsible for the extra patrols needed for the homeless and zombie RVs.
I guess I will be staying at Hudson Parcher park near Rainer, since the RV adventures fee is more expensive.
Too bad I really liked staying in the park and getting to know the locals, reading books under the trees waiting for the wind.
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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| Fri Jun 01, 18 11:31 am |
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In the Alley windsurfing days, we once slept in cars at the Cathlamet WA boat ramp. I see there's a boat ramp in Clatskanie. Any thoughts on car-sleeping there?
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kochease
Since 03 Jul 2008
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| Tue Jun 05, 18 8:56 pm |
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CAMPING NEAR JONES BEACH:
http://www.rvoutdooradventures.com/ in 5 minutes out of downtown Clatskanie, with an nice creek running thru the campground. If you say you are kiters you get A+ service, They love us!!
Knat creek campground is 15 minutes west (toward Astoria) from Jones
Hudson Park is near Rainer at top of the hill before Longview and is probably less than 20 minutes from Jones Beach.
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kochease
Since 03 Jul 2008
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| Tue Jun 05, 18 9:05 pm |
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As far as kiting at Jones the last month, it has been awesome! Wind has been good on the Oregon side, not what I would call gusty. Somedays it has been windier on the Oregon side. Ride upwind 200 yards and kite in the flat water bay west end of Jones or head over to nuke ally on the washington side.
Debri has been mild. I have spent literally 10 hours cleaning the beach up, chain sawing logs, hauling them out, raking the beach with a rake. It is looking good. Im still working on raking more areas of the beach more downwind.
Tons of open and clean sandy room. Time for a bonfire and a keg!!!
Out Current has been strong like everywhere else. I Highly recommend a GoJoe for beginners.
Today current was more mild. Now that the full moon has passed it should ease up some.
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Moto
Since 03 Sep 2006
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 8:03 am |
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| kochease wrote: | | I Highly recommend a GoJoe for beginners. |
I highly recommend a gojo for everyone 
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MDaleyPete
Since 17 Jun 2015
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 11:44 am |
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Hey dudes, relatively newbie to the Jones Beach scene - Saturday was my first day out there. I kited till exhaustion and loved every second of it. Great wind, awesome beach, friendly folks, not crowded, sick scenery, the list goes on.
But one thing I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly is the tides. When you're saying the outbound tides rips, that would correspond to a dropping tide, right? The period from high tide to low tide?
What else should I know about reading the tides tables?
Thanks a bunch,
see ya out there!
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Sasquatch
Since 09 Mar 2005
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 12:43 pm |
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| MDaleyPete wrote: |
But one thing I want to make sure I'm understanding correctly is the tides. When you're saying the outbound tides rips, that would correspond to a dropping tide, right? The period from high tide to low tide?
What else should I know about reading the tides tables?
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Outbound tide/out-going tide means that the tide is "ebbing".
Inbound/in-coming tide means that the tide is "flooding".
I suppose it/the tide "rips" in both directions. There are ebb, flood, and slack tides.
Slack tides are the time periods when the tides stay static before eventually changing from ebb to flood or flood to ebb.
Here is a link for the Sauvies Island (SI) tide chart/link. From what I can remember (I rarely go their anymore) is that there is about a 5 hour delay from SI to the mouth of the Columbia/Young's Bay. Meaning it takes the flood tide about a 5 hour time period for it to work its way up to kite beach at SI. Please take note that early season conditions ie snow melt will make the river more full and the westbound current stronger. So in the early season the flooding tide makes less of a difference/affects your kite power less than in mid to late summer or fall. This actually makes a difference at SI in the mid to late summer. Remember that opposing forces (in this case wind and current) increases one's apparent wind speed (west winds moving east and east originating Columbia river current moving west); most common occurrence in the gorge.
Forces moving in the same direction lessen it.
Rooster Rock east winds moving west along with river current moving west; or kiting at the mouth of the Hood River where it drains into the Columbia ("black hole"); or kiting WNW winds on the ocean with a west swell. A braking wave will often lurch one forward enough where they lose tension in their lines and one can "Hindenburg" their kite.
The tide affects the river all the way up to Bonneville Dam.
Jones beach is obviously much closer to the Columbia River mouth and so the time difference is much less.
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/tide.cgi?tide=1540 SI tide chart link. It is just up river from kite beach.
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/tide.cgi?tide=484 Cathlamet Washington tide chart link which is west of Jones beach and the closest I think? Longview tide chart might be the next one up river of Jones.
I'm sure others will chime in . . . hope this helps?
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MDaleyPete
Since 17 Jun 2015
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 1:41 pm |
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This definitely helps and confirms my understanding: an ebbing tide would add to the river current. A flooding tide would (slightly) counteract the river's current.
So the greatest risk of board loss would be on an ebbing tide.
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Ho-Toe
Since 30 Apr 2014
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pissed-off science guy like Bill Nye
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 2:14 pm rivers & tides |
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| MDaleyPete wrote: | | A flooding tide would (slightly) counteract the river's current. |
Depending upon a number of factors, a flood tide will often REVERSE the apparent direction of a river's flow. Salmon fishermen use this fact all of the time to "point sail" non-motorized or weakly-motorized craft. Ride upriver on the incoming tide, then back down on the ebb.
Dunno if this happens up at Jones, but it certainly does further downstream...
In fact one of the buoys I maintain went adrift a few winters ago, eventually drifting into the mouth of the Columbia during a flood tide and doing a few laps around Young's Bay, before shooting back out thru the jetties on the following ebb. It finally washed ashore in Westport, but that's a different story. 
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watercamper
Since 08 Sep 2017
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 4:02 pm RV Outdoor Adventures |
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I attached a screenshot of the prices at the RV Outdoor Adventures park outside of Clatskanie. $25 for a parking place if you are self contained. I am. Awful steep. FWIW, I think I would try Gnat Creek campground or stealth camp in Clatskanie first.
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Wed Jun 06, 18 7:29 pm Re: RV Outdoor Adventures |
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| watercamper wrote: | | . $25 for a parking place if you are self contained. I am. Awful steep. |
I recall that we could park two cars per a tent site. I am not sure if that is still the case
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Sasquatch
Since 09 Mar 2005
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| Thu Jun 07, 18 7:50 am Re: rivers & tides |
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| Ho-Toe wrote: | | MDaleyPete wrote: | | A flooding tide would (slightly) counteract the river's current. |
Depending upon a number of factors, a flood tide will often REVERSE the apparent direction of a river's flow. Salmon fishermen use this fact all of the time to "point sail" non-motorized or weakly-motorized craft. Ride upriver on the incoming tide, then back down on the ebb.
Dunno if this happens up at Jones, but it certainly does further downstream...
In fact one of the buoys I maintain went adrift a few winters ago, eventually drifting into the mouth of the Columbia during a flood tide and doing a few laps around Young's Bay, before shooting back out thru the jetties on the following ebb. It finally washed ashore in Westport, but that's a different story. |
I don't salmon fish as I don't have the gear unless it is fly fishing up in Alaska. From my experience, I believe the land/shore based salmon fishermen on the lower Columbia prefer the ebb tide and so real estate/beach access at such places like SI, Woodland, and Kalama-ramma will be saturated with salmon fishermen (when the season is open). This probably applies to fishermen using a boat too. I believe they like this effect as the ebbing/out going tide creates an water environment harder for the salmon to swim upstream. So salmon are basically holing up and stationary and probably more inclined to bite vs when the tide is flooding, when they are more focused on swimming up stream so they can spawn. I've seen beaches full of fishermen at ebb tide making it hard to rig and launch and when the tide switched to a flooding tide a majority of them reeled in their gear and departed (mainly talking about Woodland and Kalama-ramma).
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Slappysan
Since 13 Jun 2012
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| Thu Jun 28, 18 11:09 am |
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What's the water temp like at Jones?
Is it river temp on low tide and ocean temp at high tide?
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SalmonSlayer
Since 27 Nov 2005
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| Thu Jun 28, 18 12:05 pm Re: rivers & tides |
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| Sasquatch wrote: |
I believe they like this effect as the ebbing/out going tide creates an water environment harder for the salmon to swim upstream. So salmon are basically holing up and stationary and probably more inclined to bite vs when the tide is flooding, when they are more focused on swimming up stream so they can spawn. I've seen beaches full of fishermen at ebb tide making it hard to rig and launch and when the tide switched to a flooding tide a majority of them reeled in their gear and departed (mainly talking about Woodland and Kalama-ramma). |
In my experience, salmon will swim against the currents during ebb tides. but find the path of least resistance. The ebb tide current is typically slower close to shore, so they will run close too shore. On a flood tide salmon will move towards the middle of the river. It is not an exact science, but this is generally my observation. I dont know anything about sport fishing though. It is too inefficient for me and I would never catch and release (AKA fish molesting)
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Ho-Toe
Since 30 Apr 2014
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pissed-off science guy like Bill Nye
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| Thu Jun 28, 18 2:56 pm Re: rivers & tides |
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[quote="SalmonSlayer"] | Sasquatch wrote: |
...I would never catch and release (AKA fish molesting) |
Heh heh... I prefer to fillet and release. 
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