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HR2320 v2 Heads Up! WE NOW HAVE A NAME!

 
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Matt V

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PostWed Apr 05, 17 3:44 pm    HR2320 v2 Heads Up! WE NOW HAVE A NAME! Reply with quote

Appearing on the bill is now Caddy McKeown’s name! Finally, the banging our heads against the wall with an un-elected Marine Board can come to an end. Rep McKeown is a representative of “House District 9, which includes coastal portions of Coos, Douglas, Lane and Lincoln counties” - www.oregonlegislature.gov. Her email is Rep.CaddyMcKeown@state.or.us

If you have an opinion on this bill, start to make an effort to get her email inbox overflowing with your opinions. As her district includes some of the best kitesurfing areas on the Oregon coast, we cannot stay silent. And do not stop there. Emails will most likely be sorted through by a staffer. It is best to use multiple avenues to contact Rep McKeown to assure your voice is heard. And do not forget to include the Governor in this. Tackle her on Twitter, Facebook or through email and letters to the editor in your local paper. AND PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS. No matter how disrespectful their support of this bill has been to the kiteboarding, windsurfing, kayaking, fishing, and SUP community, we should refrain from threats. Just make sure you let them know who you will vote for next election.

As Anthony posted before, here is the current iteration, though another is on it's way:

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/9756

And......we are already on to v3....sorry about that:

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/9948


And thanks to Sasquatch for making the last post in the HB 2320 original bill thread:


http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/04/marine_board_bill_an_overreach.html#incart_river_home

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Ho-Toe

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PostThu Apr 06, 17 1:38 pm    thanks Reply with quote

Thank you for the point of contact. I sent an email.

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Pepi

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PostThu Apr 06, 17 3:29 pm     Reply with quote

Just an FYI - HB2320 only applies to inland bodies of water.
The coastline is not affected by this, and surf zones are also excluded typically from these requirement type of guidelines (similar to how PFD's are not required for SUP users in the Surf Zones).

Please remember to be accurate in your communications and articulate with what is in our sports best interest.
Currently many politicians are writing off aggressive or full frontal communications and comments as not from the actual user groups.

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Matt V

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PostThu Apr 06, 17 5:08 pm     Reply with quote

Pepi wrote:
Just an FYI - HB2320 only applies to inland bodies of water.
The coastline is not affected by this, and surf zones are also excluded typically from these requirement type of guidelines (similar to how PFD's are not required for SUP users in the Surf Zones).


Pepi,

I do not know who you are listening to on this law, but I am reading it, and it DEFINITELY WOULD impact coastal kiteboarding as written (in v3):

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2017R1/Downloads/ProposedAmendment/9948

Page 3, line 1 to 7, specifically say this act is created ......."to waters of this state for nonmotorized boat use."

In the definitions section (page 2, lines 23 to 25), waters of this state "means all waters within the territorial limits of this state, the marginal sea adjacent to this state and the high seas when navigated as part of a journey or ride to or from the shore of this state."

Please see the attached legal diagram that I took from:

https://www.oregon.gov/LCD/OCMP/docs/ocean/otsp_1-c.pdf

Note: On this diagram the "3 nautical mile out" limit is confusingly defined as "state waters" when it should be "Waters of this state" to fit the HB2320 definition section. Still, the diagram is showing jurisdiction of the state in those coastal waters as would be defined in this bill.

What you are being told is that this law refers to "state waters" instead of "waters of this state". Pepi - "State waters" fits what you are being told about not including the ocean (page 2, line 20-22). But that is not what is in the law in the opening statement of creation of this act (again, page 3, line 1 to 7). This refers specifically to "waters of this state" and that has the aforementioned definition within HB2320.

So as written, the law DEFINITELY WOULD impact coastal kiteboarding. If you have influence over the politicians and/or un-elected Marine Board, do what you can to at least get that changed. But for me, I oppose this law in it's entirety as I am now sure the politicians are doing some pretty crafty scheming to get this bill passed in some form and doing a good job at pacifying reluctant proponents with misdirection of the law's potential effect. These politicians seem pretty bent on passage of some fee system, even if they have to revise it later to get exactly what they want.


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Tidesofthesky

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PostFri Apr 07, 17 6:41 am     Reply with quote

Sent an email, thanks for that. Still hard for me to believe I may have to pay a fee to kite or kayak. Really crazy. What water sports user would support this? I wonder if this is out on other forums, too, kayaking, supping, etc. You've gotta figure if alll these sports users found out what the bureaucrats are trying to slide by that this could blow up and come to a stop.

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Anthony

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PostFri Apr 07, 17 9:56 am     Reply with quote

The kayakers understand. Windsurfers not so much. The Windsurfers have not been engaging for this subject. It is not like I have not tried to get them to understand. If the CGWA took a stand against this bill. It would raise a storm of support. Kayakers despise this HB2320. There are a few watersport users who support HB 2320 because they think this will help reduce the natural Darwin in a few people or there are a few who will profit from the fees. Many of the newspaper editorials for the HB 2320 are written by not from here people who are use to being Fee'd to dead for everything. This is going to be a challenging battle. Please note that the Governor supports this bill.

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barfly

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PostFri Apr 14, 17 7:02 am     Reply with quote

F' it! Arrest me, not paying. Please tell me who is going to enforce this? Like the local and county law enforcement agencies will make this a priority Rolling Eyes - the Army doesn't even do anything when kiters blow through their shooting range.

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Matt V

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PostFri Apr 14, 17 6:26 pm     Reply with quote

Barfly,

I appreciate your feelings on this issue. I share a similar disgust with having to pay to use the wind and water on a tiny wakeboard or surfboard. I am even more disgusted with the intent of the lawmakers to completely ignore the people whom this law will affect.

But be careful on the temper. The law makers want there to be violators out there so they can justify making the law in the first place. Without you as a pledged violator, the law is useless and unjustified. But there are those who will find justification in your violation of a useless law - to their profit. Our best bet is to make sure the lawmakers will be the ones to pay a price when election time comes around.

Who will enforce it? The Marine Board has indicated that they will hire 2 new full timers and one part timer for the whole state. I would guess they would focus on the Hood River area, and coastal waters. This would bring in revenue via fines for those that do not comply - thus providing even more money to the Marine Board to dole out to their favorite nonprofit organizations.

Again, direct your anger to those who we can actually hold accountable for this joke even being considered.

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Anthony

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PostFri Apr 21, 17 12:10 pm     Reply with quote

It stops for now. This is from the WKCC email today. The Oregon Legislature is pretty busy with other things at this time. It will come back again.

Message from our Director, Scott Brewen:


HB2320 – Non-Motorized Boating Program was not scheduled for a work session and in doing so, the bill would not progress through the legislative process, so it is essentially dead. This was not from a lack of desire or hard work on the part of the committee chair and others to try to obtain the votes to move the bill.

So what does this mean moving forward for the Marine Board (OSMB)? At this point it is business as usual.

In the future OSMB will continue to support all boating groups. It is important that OSMB do what we can to support both motorized and non-motorized boaters.

OSMB needs to respect where the funding comes from and how the funding is used. OSMB will continue to fund facilities per our rules, which is to first fund primarily motorized facilities, then mixed use facilities, and then non-motorized. As in the past, OSMB, does not have funding for strictly non-motorized facilities, and in the case of mixed use facilities OSMB will work with facility owners to establish an adequate match to cover the non-motorized portion. The non-motorized program would have provided targeted funding for non-motorized facilities, match funding for mixed use facilities, and maintenance and assistance funds for upkeep, but without the program the burden of those costs falls back on the parks agencies.

For boating safety enforcement, OSMB will continue to adjust our allocation formula to support resources in the areas where they will have the most impact. As OSMB focuses more attention by law enforcement on intervening in the highest risk areas for violations of operator inattention, excessive speed, failure to post a proper lookout, and navigation rules violations, more funds will have to be allocated into that area. OSMB had hoped to have additional funding to support enforcement in high congestion non-motorized areas such as Hood River and the Clackamas River, but unfortunately current allocations will have to suffice.

The hope of the non-motorized program was to provide relief to the county, state and federal parks agencies and to law enforcement agencies that are being overwhelmed with non-motorized boaters. While everyone supports growth in paddlesports, there few mechanisms available to provide funding to support the work the agencies that have to deal with this growth. Unfortunately the one avenue that OSMB was seeking for the state to assist is not going to happen. Ultimately the Board will make the decisions about where OSMB funding is allocated, but for now OSMB will continue to do business as we have in the past, do what we can to support our partners, and support all boaters for a safe and enjoyable experience on Oregon’s waterways.

Thank you,

MariAnn McKenzie
Boating Education Coordinator
Oregon State Marine Board
PO Box 14145
Salem, OR 97309-5065


Till next time! Anthony

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PostSat Apr 22, 17 12:55 am     Reply with quote

So what I get from that... We couldn't pass a law that allows us to ticket more people. So, now we have to give more tickets to the people we can ticket, so we can afford to pay workers to ticket people.
It would be nice if we could impeach officials that try to deny us our pursuit of happiness.

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jperry

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PostFri Apr 28, 17 8:06 am     Reply with quote

So if I have to pay a fee to kite.

I have 2 things I would like to see.

The police and rescue are trained to deal with kites and people.
Response times are less then 30min in the hood area.


I have swam for 4-5 hours straight helping those who needed.
While waiting for the sheriff to arrive.
I've also drug countless people in with their gear
I don't mind helping I enjoy it.

I also have 1 suggestion.

Maybe the cgwa and cgka could team up and organize some funding for a few rescue crafts and paid people who have spent there life in the water who are capeable of keeping it safe. To be out there.

Cause from what I see is we could all pay the fines to support that
And probably be a lot more effective in keeping it all safe.

Pay them 2500 a month and just do a go find me for a few jet skis.

It's we the people who need to take charge it seems.

I don't see the government being able to keep what sport we know safe.

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PostFri Apr 28, 17 8:14 am     Reply with quote

the right words Hurd effect and a clear goal is something we the people have on our side.

Along with many extremely successful people who are drawn to this sport.

We have every advantage.

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ldhr

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PostFri Apr 28, 17 8:20 am     Reply with quote

jperry wrote:
So if I have to pay a fee to kite.

I have 2 things I would like to see.

The police and rescue are trained to deal with kites and people.
Response times are less then 30 min in the hood area.

I don't see the government being able to keep what sport we know safe.


The Hood River Sheriff is responsible for Columbia River.
They train their people on water rescue and how to handle kites from their boat.
They don't patrol the water every day all day - in most cases someone needs to call them and report an issue and it's a 20 minute response - sometimes sooner and sometimes longer.
I've seen them perform countless rescues over the years for kiters.
But again - they need to be called, they have no way to know if someone needs rescue without being called.
I also heard a rumor they may have a new person this year that's full time Marine Patrol.
Anyone hear about that?
Finally - if you live in HR, you can volunteer as a Sheriff reserve officer and ask to specialize in Marine Patrol.

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PostFri Apr 28, 17 10:55 am     Reply with quote

Does maui kitebeach have a full time life guard? When I was there a few weeks ago I saw several jetski rescues of kiters. And they went out quickly and preemptively. It looked like they were watching from the life guard shack and heading out immediately when they saw trouble. And this was on weekdays when it really wasn't that busy.

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PostFri Apr 28, 17 1:51 pm     Reply with quote

Kitebeach is west of Kanaha which has a full time lifeguard. Kanahanisnabout a Mike west of kanaha. They can see down to kite beach , Naish beach , pro pool blah blah blah. Touchy subject as there is some legislation to hold the lifeguards accountable for people's stupidity. Now the lifeguards are getting absorbed into the maui fire department which should with the unions help and fire dept brass should help curb this terrible idea!!
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ShiverMeTimbers

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PostMon May 01, 17 6:24 am     Reply with quote

can anyone bullet point this legislation? What is being proposed?

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cgka

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PostMon May 01, 17 9:53 am     Reply with quote

Quote:
The Hood River Sheriff is responsible for Columbia River.
They train their people on water rescue and how to handle kites from their boat.
They don't patrol the water every day all day - in most cases someone needs to call them and report an issue and it's a 20 minute response - sometimes sooner and sometimes longer.
I've seen them perform countless rescues over the years for kiters.
But again - they need to be called, they have no way to know if someone needs rescue without being called.
I also heard a rumor they may have a new person this year that's full time Marine Patrol.
Anyone hear about that?
Finally - if you live in HR, you can volunteer as a Sheriff reserve officer and ask to specialize in Marine Patrol.


Representatives from the CGKA, CGWA and the Port of HR met with the Sheriffs office this past month to meet the new marine patrol deputy and to cover discussions regarding past and current water safety needs, as well as covering what, when, where and how much the Sheriffs office will be available for water safety.

Due to an increase in financial support from the Oregon State Marine Board, our new marine patrol deputy will have increased water patrol time and will hopefully be on or near the water every weekend throughout the summer peak season.

This is not a guarantee that you will automatically be rescued whenever you need it. A proper rescue always begins with a friend or concerned water user identifying a person in need of help, communicating with that person about what their problem/emergency is and then either assisting them to safety, or immediately contacting the Hood River County Sheriffs office to communicate specific details about the situation and where they are currently located.
Response times depend on where the deputy is located at (on or off the water) and where the boat is coming from (he could be anywhere between Stevenson and the Dalles).

Ideas for creating a volunteer or locally based rescue program continue to be discussed between the water user associations and some local shop owners, but the high cost of liability insurance and equipment maintenance prevent this from moving forward at this immediate moment.

Interestingly enough the data we discussed regarding the Hood River Sheriffs office annual search and rescue work load and responsibilities
75 to 25 - Visitors versus Locals the Sheriffs office performs rescues for
4.9million users - Mt Hood National Scenic Area
Majority of funding comes from Hood River County Taxpayers.
Water support funding is greatly supplemented by the Oregon State Marine Board (w/o this support, marine patrol would only be on-call marine rescue)

As this sort of information opens up a can of worms for more details, I think that we will make a specific post for additional information specific to rescue needs.

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