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skideeppow
Since 26 Aug 2011
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 Sun Sep 11, 16 5:58 pm Who is at fault here |
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So I was up at swell city in Aug. I was just running through some video and came across this. I was getting out of water and this guy jibbed right in front of me.
My lines hit his mast.
I could have raised my kite, if I had seen him.
Whose at fault
http://youtu.be/yLAlLcLhDE0 |
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kitebot
Since 20 Feb 2007
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| Sun Sep 11, 16 7:12 pm |
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| If you use a kiter as a jibe marker you have to assume that is going to happen. It's poor form for him to do that imho. He was upwind passing you on his way downwind therefore he should be yielding to you. It's like the ski racer passing the beginner on a green run. The racer should expect the unexpected and would be found at fault. Sorry I am not implying you are a beginner or that he was speeding, just trying to make a point. I would assume that if you were aware of him you would have made an effort to keep your kite higher. |
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chrissmack
Since 08 Jun 2005
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| Sun Sep 11, 16 8:04 pm |
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people could quote all sorts of sailboat rules, but it is probably more like this :
you were driving down a 4 lane highway in the left lane minding your own business and a dude pulled a U turn from the right lane. |
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wylieflyote
Since 30 Jun 2006
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 7:23 am |
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That is simply aggressive weird on his part. Didn't we used to call this guy "The Dangler" 
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skideeppow
Since 26 Aug 2011
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 7:26 am |
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That is what i thought. I dont know why those windsurfers as such douche bags up there in swell city. Seems to a going theme with most windsurfers. So uptight and unfriendly.
I had a pretty incident in Maui this summer as well. |
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ldhr
Since 21 Jul 2009
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 8:33 am |
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| skideeppow wrote: | | I dont know why those windsurfers as such douche bags up there in swell city. Seems to a going theme with most windsurfers. So uptight and unfriendly. |
It's called Irritable Male Syndrome. It's the male version of menopause.
The demographic of the Swell City windsurfer is 50+, nearing retirement or retired and thus feeling a sense of loss and with it their raison d’ętre.... they can only peer into a bleak abyss of lonely retirement.....
I steer clear of Swell City - there's great swell above and below.
To better understand the Swell City mentality - think of it as a zoo exhibit of older caged Lions ...... When you rode your kite into Swell City and fell down and then fell again when you attempted to get up - it was like a distressed water buffalo in a lion's den..... their predatory nature kicked in. Why are you surprised? |
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Kmun
Since 05 Jul 2009
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 9:35 am Agressive Windsurfer |
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Thank you for posting the Video.
Their are plenty of kiter error examples but this seems to be a clueless or aggressive windsurfer.
The video clip is reflective of the antics of two local windsurfers with known anger issues. Several times while kiting on a steady course out at the margins of The Hatch windsurfing launch both of these two windsurfers have come down on me from upwind & behind, looked at me directly in the eye then cut off my path of travel with a jibe from above, down and around. They obviously have confidence that I am able to react, change my path of travel or stop and pivot to avoid T-boning them. These characters of concern are well known to the windsurfing community and even condemned (by other windsurfers) for their stigma. Their case file (on and off the water) is many years long but this will not help the injured when their risk exceeds their psychic reward.
No matter who is sharing the space with you; you can never lose by taking the high road.
Always lead with a smile and some stoke. |
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skideeppow
Since 26 Aug 2011
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 9:54 am Re: Agressive Windsurfer |
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| Kmun wrote: | Thank you for posting the Video.
Their are plenty of kiter error examples but this seems to be a clueless or aggressive windsurfer.
The video clip is reflective of the antics of two local windsurfers with known anger issues. Several times while kiting on a steady course out at the margins of The Hatch windsurfing launch both of these two windsurfers have come down on me from upwind & behind, looked at me directly in the eye then cut off my path of travel with a jibe from above, down and around. They obviously have confidence that I am able to react, change my path of travel or stop and pivot to avoid T-boning them. These characters of concern are well known to the windsurfing community and even condemned (by other windsurfers) for their stigma. Their case file (on and off the water) is many years long but this will not help the injured when their risk exceeds their psychic reward.
No matter who is sharing the space with you; you can never lose by taking the high road.
Always lead with a smile and some stoke. |
Well put. I am always cheering people on. I was up there when Alex A was foiling around wtih those small kids this Aug. It was insane to watch. I was comeing up on them shouting encouragement. I get so psyched to see other kiters catching sick air. I was down at three mile late aug on a Sat and the wind kicked and we got this monster swell. Everyone was so stoked and high fiving on the launch site. Some guy i did not know, but saw him ripping out there, came up to us and said,"did that really just happen?" and high fived us. The swell that day was huge.
I grew up windsurfer, and i just cant believe how sour they are. |
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Sella
Since 21 Apr 2007
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 10:07 am Re: Agressive Windsurfer |
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| Kmun wrote: | | Always lead with a smile and some stoke. |
That area can get a bit crazy but that is a weak sauce move cutting in that tight when you're reloading. He's lucky you only pinged his mast as that could have become ugly quickly.
On a side note......fun videos watching you shred it up during your trip here and your 3-mile experience is what it's all about brotha.  |
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skideeppow
Since 26 Aug 2011
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 10:42 am |
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While we are on the subject i have the craziest encounter on Maui this June but did not really want to rehash it here.
A guy i used to work for rents the Plantation House on stable road, the huge house below Oli Oli Kai.
So there is a beach there, not a great launch because of the wind shadow, but never the less right in front of the house.
So i wake up one Saturday and there are buoys out front. It was the start of the Maui summer race series. I am kind of stoked. Love watching these guys coming down wind at full speed. Figure i can watch from the deck.
Anyway, i go down and lay my lines and kite out. All of a sudden all these windsurfers come onto the beach, like 15-20 of them. I guess they are using this as a staging area for the event. So this one women pulls her rig up on the beach and puts her board and sail on my lines. So i take them and move them and they end up on top of her sail.
She proceeds to just go off one me, like big time. "what the fuck are you doing? Dont ever touch my gear with your kite. Kites are fucking stupid, you are not allowed to even kite here. " I am like excuse me? I am renting this house and i can kite where ever i want. "she chimes back in about kiting is so fucking stupid, and its dangerous and why are you even kiting, dont you know how dangerous it is. " I then had enough and told her to fuck off. You cant tell me where and where i can not kite.
She took her gear and took off, all the while cursing etc.
I could not believe it. There are about 20 other windsurfers on the beach. No one says anything. So i ask someone what the story is. Guy tells me that her sister died kiting. OK, still does not give her a right to tee off on me for no reason. I end up packing up and walking up wind and launching at Oli Oli Kai. Had a great day.
Story does not end there. I go the the Maui Windsurf Series face book page and leave this message. I am cutting and pasting it here from my FB page.
"just thought i should let you know the behavior of one of your participants. I am staying at the plantation house, on stable rd and kite. I ve been launching on and off the beach right infront. This am saw you guys pulling buoys outside and obviously you were going to have a race. Was pretty psyched to watch this from the beach. (i proceed to outline what happened, dont need to put all of it here, was outlined above) .... (i end with this)
Just a pretty poor representation for your event and your sport. When i saw this was going to be a problem, i rolled my lines up and moved up wind. I understand water saftey, in CO i am an EMT, Swift water rescue certified and volunteer fireman. no need to get in my face and be super rude."
Turns out the person who runs the even, was this women. So we went back and forth, she kind of apologized, but kind of didnt.
I was so blown away. |
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wood
Since 21 Jan 2013
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 10:47 am |
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Looks to me like he might have not seen you til the last second. Lost you in his mast sleeve. He is coming down on you then redirects his board up wind. He should have then stayed his coarse. but decided to swell ride to close for sure. You then sent your kite which hit his mast. It all happens so fast. Did you have other issue with that sailor? was anything said?
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skideeppow
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 10:53 am |
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| ^^^No i just took off after that. I was like WTF, then i looked up wind, The place was packed. I was done. |
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user124
Since 02 Aug 2012
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 1:02 pm |
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| wood wrote: | | Looks to me like he might have not seen you to the last second. Lost you in his mast sleeve. He is coming down on you then redirect his board up wind. He should have then stayed his coarse. but decided to swell ride to close for sure. You then sent your kite which hit his mast. I all happens so fast. Did you have other issue with that sailor? was anything said? |
Yeah hard to know if that was intentional. He may have seen you fall down in the water and assumed you were changing directions. He should have kept his course, but it may have been an honest mistake. Best to not assume someone is being a jerk unless it's really obvious as this tends to just escalate the situation. |
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Gman
Since 11 Feb 2006
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 3:06 pm |
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dude you cant fall there - you will be road kill! (ldhr is funny!)
Why did you kill that chicks sister? uncool bra
You can always chase that guy around if you are bored or angry - I'm thinking user124 is correct - some of those guys are pretty old and cant see or turn their necks too good
also law of averages - after a few thousand sessions you will run into random crazy...
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eric
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| Mon Sep 12, 16 7:09 pm |
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There is one well know douche bag who windsurfs out of cheap who charges whomever. The person in the video was not him. I looked at the video several times. I windsurfed for many years, and he takes a pretty wide arc around you. I am of the mind that it was not intentional. Perhaps too close, but if he really wanted to get in your grill he would have jibed near your head.
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Kmun
Since 05 Jul 2009
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| Tue Sep 13, 16 8:07 am "IMS" Politicaly Correct? |
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| ldhr wrote: | | skideeppow wrote: | | I dont know why those windsurfers as such douche bags up there in swell city. Seems to a going theme with most windsurfers. So uptight and unfriendly. |
It's called Irritable Male Syndrome. It's the male version of menopause.
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Dr. ldhr,
We need to redefine the IMS (Irritable Male Syndrome) condition.
Why? One of the aggressive pole-surfers is a woman.
We must be inclusive to all who earn their fifteen minutes of infamy.
Here is your chance to coin the condition... |
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ldhr
Since 21 Jul 2009
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| Tue Sep 13, 16 10:11 am |
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Just for the record.... some of my best friends are windsurfers.
I kite from the Event Site ~60 days per year and every session I head up to Swell City and back.
I've had zero issues with windsurfers.
Sure I've had the stare downs and people yelling at me but it's not any different than when I windsurfed - angst will happen when 2 people try to occupy the same space at the same time. |
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