OT: Tyranny of Control, Guns, Cancer, BMI, etc.
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Hein
Since 08 Mar 2005
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Lurk
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Stop reading partisan non-sense. The law has not been implemented yet in any significant way. Kessler is a known anti-Obama partisan carrying Wall street baggage.
Maybe you should move to Montana and join a militia. You will be much happier.
In other news UK Burger King admits it has been selling whoppers with horsemeat in them. It had denied this until "Equine" DNA was found in its products. |
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Hein
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| Fri Feb 01, 13 1:17 pm |
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Here's a comment on the article:
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"There are a whole lot of people in this country who have a romantic view of socialized health care. They think that it is very simple. You just pay your income taxes and then go to the doctor for free whenever you want. That's not how it works. Care must be rationed. If you don't have prices to ration care, then you must ration based on government fiat. I grew up in a socialized health care system and watched my father suffer in pain for months while he waited to have the surgery that would alleviate his suffering. When the pain was the worst, he and my mother wuold sit at the kitchen table and see if they could afford the money to come to the US for treatment (as thousands of Canadians do each year when they can't get adequate or timely care.) Further, most of the time, people must still pay extra for health insurance -even in socialized medicine countries. People think that, for instance, in Canada that citizens cannot be uninsured. That's not the case. I know people who have been uninsured for various amounts of time because they didn't keep up with their premiums. And there is no requirement that Canadian ERs treat you if you don't have insurance - so you really can just end up on the street. People need to be very very careful what they ask for - because they just might get it. And when the realities of how socialized medicine controls costs is truly known, it's not going to be pretty. In America, people are used to being able to go to the doctor and to get the surgeries that they need within days. Wait until they have to wait months or years. It isn't pretty." |
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BigR
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| Fri Feb 01, 13 1:28 pm |
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I guess it depends on if you are on the bronze, silver, gold or platinum plan......
There are bald face lies, white lies and lies of omission.
Connect the dots......
Which one of these is saying which one:
A. Politician
B. MainStreamMedia
C. Used Car Salesman/ Marketing Guy
To tell the Truth , the Whole Truth and Nothing BUT the Truth |
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Lurk
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| Fri Feb 01, 13 2:42 pm |
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The law STARTS in 2014, no one knows for sure what it all means yet.
What seems to be forgotten is how our government works. Special interests write the laws. Big insurance and others wrote the healthcare bill. They got a bigger pool of customers we got whatever they decided for us.
Will it be cheaper? My guess: no.
Will it be fairer? probably on the whole, with the middle class picking up more of the burden and the wealthy less. It will be more efficient in some ways, with less choice and more edicts on your health. i.e smoke and pay more... exercise pay less...
Is Big brother taking over, yeah a lot more government in our lives. Its unaviodable with current demographics and our fiscal problems. |
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tautologies
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| Hein wrote: | Here's a comment on the article:
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"There are a whole lot of people in this country who have a romantic view of socialized health care. They think that it is very simple. You just pay your income taxes and then go to the doctor for free whenever you want. That's not how it works. Care must be rationed. If you don't have prices to ration care, then you must ration based on government fiat. I grew up in a socialized health care system and watched my father suffer in pain for months while he waited to have the surgery that would alleviate his suffering. When the pain was the worst, he and my mother wuold sit at the kitchen table and see if they could afford the money to come to the US for treatment (as thousands of Canadians do each year when they can't get adequate or timely care.) Further, most of the time, people must still pay extra for health insurance -even in socialized medicine countries. People think that, for instance, in Canada that citizens cannot be uninsured. That's not the case. I know people who have been uninsured for various amounts of time because they didn't keep up with their premiums. And there is no requirement that Canadian ERs treat you if you don't have insurance - so you really can just end up on the street. People need to be very very careful what they ask for - because they just might get it. And when the realities of how socialized medicine controls costs is truly known, it's not going to be pretty. In America, people are used to being able to go to the doctor and to get the surgeries that they need within days. Wait until they have to wait months or years. It isn't pretty." |
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You are so full of shit it is almost unbearable. I actually really do not know what the point of this drivel is.
I am quite sure you can find people not quite getting the care they need in the US also. Right? I mean it is all too common to hear about people getting denied service here because of some non-sese their insurance company came up with. The point is that no system is perfect, but in the US you get a lot less for your dollar in health care than any other industrialized country.
I have also grown up in a country with socialized health care, and have mostly good things to say about it...a note was when I needed a big surgery, going to that country and getting it done in a private hospital (yeah they have those too) was cheaper than getting it done in the US.
It is insane to me that the richest country in the world cannot secure health care for its citizens when they need help. |
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Hein
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| Sun Feb 03, 13 10:28 pm |
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| tautologies wrote: | | You are so full of shit it is almost unbearable. |
It's your personal attack that is unbearable. The rest I didn't bother reading. |
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